Are the sheeple starting to wake up?

[00111001]

...it looks like many of you would not be able to turn starving displaced sheeple away when TSHTF ( which is now BTW) My caches , stockpiles etc are solely for the use of preppers and their families, no outsiders, no sheeple, etc.

No handouts here chap. What's mine is mine. Whats your is yours.

I don't like the term, but I'll use it: hungry "outsiders" - tough shit. It's not like you couldn't see this coming - should have done your homework.

Lesson two I suspect some of you could be preppers hoping you can find someone elses supplies and resources you can call upon.

If it's an amicable agreement then I don't see anything wrong with that. Free-loading is not acceptable though.


On another vein though, if I was forced to claim benefits (or even able to claim) I'd be on it like a shot. I don't really agree with it, but if every other fucker is on it then why shouldn't I reclaim some of my tax money and put it towards my preps?

[Barneyboy]

when the shtf the stores will be for me and mine but now they can be replaced by more im not saying its going to be easy to turn them away butby then the rules have changed

[NorthernRaider]

[bigpaul]

before the welfare act(1948) when people were unemployed they had NO income and they STARVED, do we really want to abolish benefit and go back to living like that??? we will NEVER EVER have 100% employment so some people are always going to be unemployed. it dosent matter what job or career someone has, we never know what the future will bring, unemployment, sickness, disability it could and often does happen. I could be knocked down by a car tomorrow and be crippled for life.

Unemployment is only ever going to increase massively as immigration especially of the lower skilled continues, the population rises, technology and automation increases, as it is we already have a situation in the Uk where some 22 million workers are having to keep the other 43 million people. And as each year goes by the numbers of tax paying workers declines and the numbers of claimants rises. Today the average worker sees his pay taxed at 40%, his NI bill is 14 %, anything he buys has 20% VAT on it. In 20 years time just to maintain todays levels of public spending on welfare , pensions etc income tax will need to be 60% , VAT 30% who can afford that? Who is looking forward to the £15 a gallong for petrol with 80% of that being tax?

Paul look at the news TAX Payers are now joining the quesues at foodbanks, The system is broke and sooner or later its all going to collapse as the govt runs out of money.

yes, so why bother talking about govt and taxes? we all know its going to collapse and soon, thats why we are all preppers isnt it??

[NorthernRaider]

If it's an amicable agreement then I don't see anything wrong with that. Free-loading is not acceptable though.

AT LAST, I wondered who would get the point first, Jeezus H Christ

If you WISH to subscribe VOLUNTARILY to a welfare or cooperative or mutual support scheme that is truly great, But you should not be FORCED to contribute to a system that only ever demands more and more from you.

[00111001]

If it's an amicable agreement then I don't see anything wrong with that. Free-loading is not acceptable though.

AT LAST, I wondered who would get the point first, Jeezus H Christ

If you WISH to subscribe VOLUNTARILY to a welfare or cooperative or mutual support scheme that is truly great, But you should not be FORCED to contribute to a system that only ever demands more and more from you.

I agree whole heartedly with you.

That's why I lie on my tax returns

I wouldn't mind paying tax if they didn't waste it.

[Barneyboy]

[NorthernRaider]

before the welfare act(1948) when people were unemployed they had NO income and they STARVED, do we really want to abolish benefit and go back to living like that??? we will NEVER EVER have 100% employment so some people are always going to be unemployed. it dosent matter what job or career someone has, we never know what the future will bring, unemployment, sickness, disability it could and often does happen. I could be knocked down by a car tomorrow and be crippled for life.

Unemployment is only ever going to increase massively as immigration especially of the lower skilled continues, the population rises, technology and automation increases, as it is we already have a situation in the Uk where some 22 million workers are having to keep the other 43 million people. And as each year goes by the numbers of tax paying workers declines and the numbers of claimants rises. Today the average worker sees his pay taxed at 40%, his NI bill is 14 %, anything he buys has 20% VAT on it. In 20 years time just to maintain todays levels of public spending on welfare , pensions etc income tax will need to be 60% , VAT 30% who can afford that? Who is looking forward to the £15 a gallong for petrol with 80% of that being tax?

Paul look at the news TAX Payers are now joining the quesues at foodbanks, The system is broke and sooner or later its all going to collapse as the govt runs out of money.

yes, so why bother talking about govt and taxes? we all know its going to collapse and soon, thats why we are all preppers isnt it??

BP I can always rely on you for clear concise wisdom, the system is falling apart now, your kids owe the govt £14,000 the minute they are born, There are millions of Greek, Portugees, Spanish and other EU dependant socialists all wanting YOU to pay for their upkeep.
Here in the Uk theres 3 million on the dole another 2.5 million out of work not on the system theres millions of people all with their hands out and the cupboard is bare.

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I agree whole heartedly with you.

That's why I lie on my tax returns

I wouldn't mind paying tax if they didn't waste it.

No body minds paying modest taxes for essential services, but essential service are not paying the unemployed or elderly or disabled, that is their FAMILIEs responsibility , we owe them a good basic state pension and zero council tax nothing more.

Look the welfare state has been in place since 1948 there is no one who has not had the change to pay NI or Tax into the system and save privately as well. Those whinging about poverty etc have pissed away most of their free money down the Labour and Workies clubs for their entire working lives, and whilst they demand and recieve free retirement bunglows and OAP homes the silly bastards who worked hard all their lives, saved and bought their own homes are told they have to sell their homes to pay for care. That is wrong and immoral.

[bigpaul]

i think the whole bloody thing will go t#ts up anyway when the EU collapses, that will be the beginning of the end. role on the revolution!

[Barneyboy]

before the welfare act(1948) when people were unemployed they had NO income and they STARVED, do we really want to abolish benefit and go back to living like that??? we will NEVER EVER have 100% employment so some people are always going to be unemployed. it dosent matter what job or career someone has, we never know what the future will bring, unemployment, sickness, disability it could and often does happen. I could be knocked down by a car tomorrow and be crippled for life.

Unemployment is only ever going to increase massively as immigration especially of the lower skilled continues, the population rises, technology and automation increases, as it is we already have a situation in the Uk where some 22 million workers are having to keep the other 43 million people. And as each year goes by the numbers of tax paying workers declines and the numbers of claimants rises. Today the average worker sees his pay taxed at 40%, his NI bill is 14 %, anything he buys has 20% VAT on it. In 20 years time just to maintain todays levels of public spending on welfare , pensions etc income tax will need to be 60% , VAT 30% who can afford that? Who is looking forward to the £15 a gallong for petrol with 80% of that being tax?

Paul look at the news TAX Payers are now joining the quesues at foodbanks, The system is broke and sooner or later its all going to collapse as the govt runs out of money.

yes, so why bother talking about govt and taxes? we all know its going to collapse and soon, thats why we are all preppers isnt it??

BP I can always rely on you for clear concise wisdom, the system is falling apart now, your kids owe the govt £14,000 the minute they are born, There are millions of Greek, Portugees, Spanish and other EU dependant socialists all wanting YOU to pay for their upkeep.
Here in the Uk theres 3 million on the dole another 2.5 million out of work not on the system theres millions of people all with their hands out and the cupboard is bare.

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I agree whole heartedly with you.

That's why I lie on my tax returns

I wouldn't mind paying tax if they didn't waste it.

No body minds paying modest taxes for essential services, but essential service are not paying the unemployed or elderly or disabled, that is their FAMILIEs responsibility , we owe them a good basic state pension and zero council tax nothing more.

Look the welfare state has been in place since 1948 there is no one who has not had the change to pay NI or Tax into the system and save privately as well. Those whinging about poverty etc have pissed away most of their free money down the Labour and Workies clubs for their entire working lives, and whilst they demand and recieve free retirement bunglows and OAP homes the silly bastards who worked hard all their lives, saved and bought their own homes are told they have to sell their homes to pay for care. That is wrong and immoral.

so wot do we do with the old and ill if they have no one