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Dogs
7 September 2013, 10:57,
#1
Dogs
I don't know if this subject has seen the light of day before.

What if any sort of problem, if any, do you think dogs may be Post SHTF?
How would you deal any problem?
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7 September 2013, 10:58,
#2
RE: Dogs
this one has already been done John.
Some people that prefer to be alone arent anti-social they just have no time for drama, stupidity and false people.
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7 September 2013, 18:26,
#3
RE: Dogs
Yes it has been done, but we might see some new answers.

As people start to feel the pressure and food starts to become short, dogs I am sure will be let loose to fend for themselves, when that happens the problem will start

Dog will naturally form packs, all shapes and sizes will run together, and they will start to revert back to a more basic level of behavior

They will start moving as a pack in order to find food, they will start by roaming through the rubbish, your bins, back alleys .

The real problems will come when they become very hungry, it will only take one brave dog to make an attack for all the others to join in, they will bring you down in an instance,... once blood has been tasted, they have crossed the line, and will attack at will

If you live in a built up area, I would strongly suggest you take all dogs very seriosly no matter how cute they look of how long you may have known them, because after an event, and they become hungry, they will be a big problem
A major part of survival is invisibility.
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8 September 2013, 11:18,
#4
RE: Dogs
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-21...indle.html

Abandoned Dogs Roam Detroit in Packs as Humans Dwindle
s many as 50,000 stray dogs roam the streets and vacant homes of bankrupt Detroit, replacing residents, menacing humans who remain and overwhelming the city’s ability to find them homes or peaceful deaths.
Dens of as many as 20 canines have been found in boarded-up homes in the community of about 700,000 that once pulsed with 1.8 million people. One officer in the Police Department's skeleton animal-control unit recalled a pack splashing away in a basement that flooded when thieves ripped out water pipes.
The dogs were having a pool party,” said Lapez Moore, 30. “We went in and fished them out.”

Poverty roils the Motor City and many dogs have been left to fend for themselves, abandoned by owners who are financially stressed or unaware of proper care. Strays have killed pets, bitten mail carriers and clogged the animal shelter, where more than 70 percent are euthanized.

“With these large open expanses with vacant homes, it’s as if you designed a situation that causes dog problems,” said Harry Ward, head of animal control.
Symbiotic Suffering

The number of strays signals a humanitarian crisis, said Amanda Arrington of the Humane Society of the United States, based in Washington. She heads a program that donated $50,000 each to organizations in Detroit and nine other U.S cities to get pets vaccinated, fed, spayed and neutered.

Arrington said when she visited Detroit in October, “It was almost post-apocalyptic, where there are no businesses, nothing except people in houses and dogs running around.”

“The suffering of animals goes hand in hand with the suffering of people.”

She said pet owners who move leave behind dogs, hoping neighbors will care for them. Those dogs take to the streets and reproduce. Compounding that are the estimated 70,000 vacant buildings that provide shelter for dogs, or where some are chained without care to ward off thieves, Ward said.

Most strays are pets that roam, often in packs that form around a female in heat, Ward said. Few are true feral dogs that have had no human contact.

Ward said Detroit’s three shelters -- his and two non-profit facilities -- take in 15,000 animals a year, including strays and pets that are seized or given up by owners.
Fearing Humans

They are among the victims of a historic financial and political collapse. Detroit, a former auto manufacturing powerhouse, declared the largest U.S. municipal bankruptcy on July 18 after years of decline. The city has more than $18 billion in long-term debt and had piled up an operating deficit of close to $400 million. Falling revenue forced cutbacks in police, fire-fighting -- and dog control.

With an annual budget of $1.6 million, Ward has four officers to cover the 139-square-mile (360-square-kilometer) city seven days a week, 11 fewer than when he took command in 2008. He has one dog-bite investigator, down from three.

“We are really suffering from fatigue, short staffed” and work too much overtime, he said in an interview.

The officers, who wear bulletproof vests to protect themselves from irate owners, are bringing in about half the number of animals that crews did in 2008, Ward said.

In July, the pound stopped accepting more animals for a month because the city hadn’t paid a service that hauls away euthanized animals for cremation at a cost of about $20,000 a year. The freezers were packed with carcasses, and pens were full of live animals until the bill was paid.
Famous Fighter

Pit bulls and breeds mixed with them dominate Detroit’s stray population because of widespread dog fighting, said Ward. Males are aggressive in mating, so they proliferate, he added.

One type of fighting pit bull has become known as far as Los Angeles as the “Highland Park red,” named after a city within Detroit’s borders, Ward said.

Their prevalence was clear as Ward and officers Moore and Malachi Jackson answered calls Aug. 19. On a block where vacant houses and lots outnumbered occupied ones, they found four dogs in an abandoned house -- a male and three females, including a pregnant pit bull with a prized blue-gray coat.

Ward said it appeared the dogs were fed by someone who used the house to hide stolen items.
Walking Small

Aggressive dogs force the U.S. Postal Service to temporarily halt mail delivery in some neighborhoods, said Ed Moore, a Detroit-area spokesman. He said there were 25 reports of mail carriers bitten by dogs in Detroit from October through July. Though most are by pets at homes, strays have also attacked, Moore said.

“It’s been a persistent problem,” he said.

Mail carrier Catherine Guzik told of using pepper spray on swarms of tiny, ferocious dogs in a southwest Detroit neighborhood.

“It’s like Chihuahuaville,” Guzik said as she walked her route.

At two nearby homes, one pet dog was killed recently and another injured by two stray pit bulls that jumped fences into yards, said neighbor Debora Mattie, 49.

Last year, there were 903 dog bites in Detroit, according to Ward, adding that most go unreported to police. He said 90 percent are by dogs whose owners are known.
After Attack

Many de facto strays are called pets by owners who let them wander, said Kristen Huston, who leads the Detroit office of All About Animals Rescue, a non-profit that obtained the Humane Society’s $50,000 grant last year to feed, vaccinate and sterilize pets. Some dogs run away from their neighborhoods and threaten people, she said.

“Technically, it’s illegal to let a dog roam, but with the city being bankrupt, who’s going to do anything about it?” Huston said.

Huston said she walks through some of the poorest neighborhoods to talk to pet owners about how to care for their animals, sometimes giving them bags of food or even a free doghouse.

Ward said more needs to be done to educate pet owners. He said his crews are too few, but help keep dogs in check.

Four months ago, a woman sitting on her porch on the east side was attacked by two strays that tore off her scalp, Ward said.

“We got those dogs,” he said. “It’s a big difference to that lady that those dogs were gone that day.”
I tried to be normal once.... Worst two minutes of my life...
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8 September 2013, 11:43,
#5
RE: Dogs
Better eat 'em then if they're going to be that much of a problem.
Silver lining Wink
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8 September 2013, 11:47,
#6
RE: Dogs
yep, thousands of Chinese takeaways cant be wrong!Tongue
Some people that prefer to be alone arent anti-social they just have no time for drama, stupidity and false people.
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8 September 2013, 12:00, (This post was last modified: 8 September 2013, 12:05 by Prepper1.)
#7
RE: Dogs
That just one city as well!! imagine all the chavs all over england releasing the dogs...
Something to be wary of and prep for I think.
I'll see if I can find dog fighting or dog killing stuff anywhere and post it.

Survive a Dog Attack
http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/dog-attacks/index.htm

http://www.secretsofsurvival.com/surviva...ttack.html

seconds links a bit crap

this is ok too
http://survivethecomingcollapse.com/2605...og-attack/

http://survivalscoop.blogspot.co.uk/2009...ttack.html
I tried to be normal once.... Worst two minutes of my life...
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8 September 2013, 12:43,
#8
RE: Dogs
For me Dogs are a great asset and if the poop does hit the fan I intend to have at least half a dozen "long Dogs", well trained dogs are the best detection devices around, and will help put meat on the table, and will fight to the death to protect their pack (you and your family). If you have to Hunt, then doing it with dogs will bring far more rewards then doing the "lone Hunter" thing. A dogs nose is one of the best devices for tracking and finding game that would otherwise be invisible to our human eyes. They can also alert you to intruders long before you can see them giving valuable time to prepare. There's a reason most third world villages have dogs, and that is because it is impossible to enter such a village at night without being detected by them. As for safety against other dogs, your dogs will patrol your patch and attack any other dogs that enter their territory and alert you by the noise. A pack of wild dogs would attack a human without firearms, but a human backed up with Dogs is another matter. They were the first animals we domesticated and have shared our Ice age hunts and campfires, I wouldn't be without them.
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8 September 2013, 13:01,
#9
RE: Dogs
I intend to "obtain" some more dogs post SHTF, a good dog is far more use than some humansBig Grin
Some people that prefer to be alone arent anti-social they just have no time for drama, stupidity and false people.
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8 September 2013, 17:15, (This post was last modified: 8 September 2013, 17:17 by Midnitemo.)
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RE: Dogs
Not for me dogs post event....i feel unless you are adopting an overt stance then dog's are of little use...you cannot 100% keep a dog quiet...great for warning you of intruders but equally great for attracting attention to you...so as i intend on stealth as my major strategy then no dogs for me...another mouth to feed to. may consider dogs afterwards maybe a year in when things have settled.

(8 September 2013, 11:43)BeardyMan Wrote: Better eat 'em then if they're going to be that much of a problem.
Silver lining Wink
i'm not above eating dog as long as there are no signs of i'll health.
Nothing is fool proof for a sufficiently talented fool!!!!
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