Getting Real About Bugging Out

[Jonas]

[Prepper1]

very well put across I thought.

[bigpaul]

I believe most people this side of the pond will be bugging IN, its where most if not all our supplies are and is where we feel most safe, bugging out will only occur in cases of fire, flood or security issues. I do not agree with the bit that said "you can only bug out in daylight" I think that is the most dangerous part of the day when ANY movement will be noticed, I think early-pre dawn- and late-just before dusk- are the times to bug out and hide up(and rest) for the main part of the day is the way I would do it.

[Midnitemo]

The Darkness is your friend! not so easy if you're navigating an unknown route but most people will be travelling a route they are familiar with. i will only be bugging out as an absolute last resort.

[bigpaul]

as will most people. bugging out is definitely plan B.

[John]

I believe most people this side of the pond will be bugging IN, its where most if not all our supplies are and is where we feel most safe, bugging out will only occur in cases of fire, flood or security issues. I do not agree with the bit that said "you can only bug out in daylight" I think that is the most dangerous part of the day when ANY movement will be noticed, I think early-pre dawn- and late-just before dusk- are the times to bug out and hide up(and rest) for the main part of the day is the way I would do it.

You may be generally correct but people will soon bug out, or should I say seek other places when they have no more food and/or water and the local stores are empty, probably looted. Hunger will drive them out and they will seek anywhere and do anything to feed and water themselves and their children.
They will not just sit in doors and die quietly.

[bigpaul]

I believe most people this side of the pond will be bugging IN, its where most if not all our supplies are and is where we feel most safe, bugging out will only occur in cases of fire, flood or security issues. I do not agree with the bit that said "you can only bug out in daylight" I think that is the most dangerous part of the day when ANY movement will be noticed, I think early-pre dawn- and late-just before dusk- are the times to bug out and hide up(and rest) for the main part of the day is the way I would do it.

You may be generally correct but people will soon bug out, or should I say seek other places when they have no more food and/or water and the local stores are empty, probably looted. Hunger will drive them out and they will seek anywhere and do anything to feed and water themselves and their children.
They will not just sit in doors and die quietly.

not necessarily John, I don't agree they'll leave their homes, they may scavenge further and further afield but come back to their home afterwards. only if there is a large die off and many houses are left empty will people move on.

[John]

not necessarily John, I don't agree they'll leave their homes, they may scavenge further and further afield but come back to their home afterwards. only if there is a large die off and many houses are left empty will people move on.
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They are not all going to be preppers and once the home can no longer support them then they will leave. Majority of homes today depend on mains water and electric. Plus many do not even have open fireplaces, places are no longer built with them. So no heat and no water.
This will escalate quickly particularly once it it dawns on them that no one is coming to their rescue.

OK you don't have to agree with me but if you think they are going to be nice people and stay at home then you are mistaken. They may start going house to house to start with but as they work their way out they will at some point come across you, then the fun will start and there will be more of them that you. The other thing that may be more telling is water. It will not be pure and they will be looking for that. Then on the heals of that will come disease. That will make people run to get away from it.

I don't really think people think through these scenarios to the full.
May it is denial, may be they just cannot believe that a society like ours is today can go crash.
Fact...History shows that all that previous societies/civilizations have generally lasted no longer than 200/250 yeas or there about. May be we are a bit overdue but rest assured it will happen.

[bigpaul]

They are not all going to be preppers and once the home can no longer support them then they will leave. Majority of homes today depend on mains water and electric. Plus many do not even have open fireplaces, places are no longer built with them. So no heat and no water.
This will escalate quickly particularly once it it dawns on them that no one is coming to their rescue.

OK you don't have to agree with me but if you think they are going to be nice people and stay at home then you are mistaken. They may start going house to house to start with but as they work their way out they will at some point come across you, then the fun will start and there will be more of them that you. The other thing that may be more telling is water. It will not be pure and they will be looking for that. Then on the heals of that will come disease. That will make people run to get away from it.

I don't really think people think through these scenarios to the full.
May it is denial, may be they just cannot believe that a society like ours is today can go crash.
Fact...History shows that all that previous societies/civilizations have generally lasted no longer than 200/250 yeas or there about. May be we are a bit overdue but rest assured it will happen.

I don't see people leaving their homes, at least not at first, John. why should they-"the govt is coming to save them"-right? so it will take them some time to realise that no help is coming, a lot will perish waiting for help that isn't coming. many will wait too long until the move out in search of more suitable shelter, it wont take long for the supermarket shelves to empty, what isn't taken will be trampled underfoot. whilst the idiots and scum are looting plasma tvs and new computers they will never use none will have the sense to grab camping stoves or torches or even candles and matches. when they eventually decide to move on the roads will be blocked by crashed and fire damaged vehicles. even if they get past this lot without having a definite location to get to most will just become refugees, most of these without adequate clothing, food and shelter will die in the first cold weather of the first winter post collapse. there will be the enevitable council estate scum(what NR refers to as Chavs) which eventually we will have to deal with but by the time they vacate the cities and move out into the countryside...in my case they will have to navigate Dartmoor first....maybe they will be fewer in number??

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I cant see anyone in my small town welcoming them with open arms...more the opposite.

[John]

They are not all going to be preppers and once the home can no longer support them then they will leave. Majority of homes today depend on mains water and electric. Plus many do not even have open fireplaces, places are no longer built with them. So no heat and no water.
This will escalate quickly particularly once it it dawns on them that no one is coming to their rescue.

OK you don't have to agree with me but if you think they are going to be nice people and stay at home then you are mistaken. They may start going house to house to start with but as they work their way out they will at some point come across you, then the fun will start and there will be more of them that you. The other thing that may be more telling is water. It will not be pure and they will be looking for that. Then on the heals of that will come disease. That will make people run to get away from it.

I don't really think people think through these scenarios to the full.
May it is denial, may be they just cannot believe that a society like ours is today can go crash.
Fact...History shows that all that previous societies/civilizations have generally lasted no longer than 200/250 yeas or there about. May be we are a bit overdue but rest assured it will happen.

I don't see people leaving their homes, at least not at first, John. why should they-"the govt is coming to save them"-right? so it will take them some time to realise that no help is coming, a lot will perish waiting for help that isn't coming. many will wait too long until the move out in search of more suitable shelter, it wont take long for the supermarket shelves to empty, what isn't taken will be trampled underfoot. whilst the idiots and scum are looting plasma tvs and new computers they will never use none will have the sense to grab camping stoves or torches or even candles and matches. when they eventually decide to move on the roads will be blocked by crashed and fire damaged vehicles. even if they get past this lot without having a definite location to get to most will just become refugees, most of these without adequate clothing, food and shelter will die in the first cold weather of the first winter post collapse. there will be the enevitable council estate scum(what NR refers to as Chavs) which eventually we will have to deal with but by the time they vacate the cities and move out into the countryside...in my case they will have to navigate Dartmoor first....maybe they will be fewer in number??

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I cant see anyone in my small town welcoming them with open arms...more the opposite.

Well seeing as you have such a low opinion of your fellow man I'll withdraw from this debate and let you have the last word????