The State Medical Service NHS and us

[NorthernRaider]

Here we see a perfect example of the state funded NHS at work, its costing the tax payers more than ever but like everything state controlled its failing, top heavy with burocrats, innefective and BAD FOR YOUR HEATH. Under either Labour or Tories the nations trauma and eergency heathcare is only getting worse. more and more pen pushers, doctors who wont work weekends, nurses who my wife claims are now to posh to wipe bums or make beds or to care for the patients emotional wellbeing.

This is why SURVIVALISTS and preppers should, could and must develop good solid medical skills and build up medical kits, tools and supplies.
You can in many areas wait months to see a dentist , you can be bleeding to death and they will still leave you waiting for hours.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-died.html

You can do as I did and be admitted with multiple injuries and be wheeled into the ambulatory care room only to see convicted criminal arrive after you in the company of prison officers and watch as they go to the front of the queue.

You can go to your GPs for an appointment only to see Gypseys and Roma walk in after you and get in ahead of you ( and they dont pay NI)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...space.html

Built up a trauma kit, dental kit, obtain anti biotics and do as many courses as you can and learn as much as you can to avoid being wheeled into a wonderful diverse, inclusive socialist NHS hospital after waiting 3 hours for an ambulance and only obtain an infection from the hospital that may kill you.

[Binnie]

too true.

The same can be said for a lot of goverment organisations!

It seems you get penalised for contributing to society these days, and the dregs get preferential treatment! (dregs being those that dont wanty to work!! etc)

[River Song]

Ok - This is a VERY important thread.

The threat of a+e meltdown is almost upon us even if not here already. The stories quoted above
would say that it has already melted down. I have had recent experienced within the last two weeks
where service was excellent even though very busy.

A dear friend of mine had terminal lung cancer. He was having problems with breathing and I took him in the car
to a+e. On getting out of the car he couldn't move any more - breathless.

I got assistance and he was seen straight away - the paperwork caught up later. His BloodOx was only 65% -
Well we got him round again and he was admitted but after a few days discharged himself because he wanted control of his own pain relief. (OralMorph).

Whilst he was on the ward it was like filling in a five page form for a paracetamol !!

Even when he was home, when the nurses came at 1:00am to give him morphine from a locked box
it took around 15 - 20 minutes for them to go through procedures. They were as frustrated as I was sitting for 3 days 24/7 with him whilst he died. (We soon broke open the box!!) -

He died 3 days later -- the days were pain-full but the last hours mercifully were pain free - We made sure of that.

DO DO DO Get some skills here. I am starting a 3 day St Johns course as a starter on Wednesday this week
and am looking at wilderness medics course later this year.

I'll post some oinks to books and kit later.

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[NorthernRaider]

The NHS and WELFARE state as planned by LABOUR in 1948

WORKERS pay tax and NI into a fund, in return those tax paying workers get pensions and free health care. That was the theory.

The reality

The workers who pay in the most get back nothing or the least, and those who pay in little or nothing get the most in pension and benefit payouts and priority in the health care. Ed Balls is on TV as I type saying those who worked the hardest and paid the most contributions will see their benefits cut, and those who have done bugger all for 60 years will get the most. Do you want to rely on the state for your pension and healthcare ?????

[Skean Dhude]

Anything run by a Government is a inefficient and careless system, caring nothing for the lives it ruins.

[NorthernRaider]

Never mind the CAUSAL Factors that is something we dont have control over, BUT making ourselves better skilled and equipped in matters trauma medical IS something we can do. Whilst the sheeple demand somebody else should do something we must isolate ourselves as much as possible from the dying swan of the NHS.

[bigpaul]

the welfare state worked pretty well right up until the 90s, then NEW Labour got in in 1997 and started buggering around with the system so that all the immigrants they went actively looking for,(cos they had lost the votes of the working British people,) could have INSTANT access to benefits from day one without actually paying ONE PENNY into the system.

[River Song]

Yeah - I love a good rant as well

However, accepting that the NHS is shot to ribbons the question is

a. How do we take care of our own
b. If we become the designated medic for those around us, where do we start.

In my further posts, I am going to link to some resources that may have been posted before
but are useful in the context of this thread.

Firstly - set up your medical centre

http://www.survivalandbeyond.net/wp-cont...004-12.pdf

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evaluate the casualty

http://prepperlink.com/index.php/downloa...e-casualty


I've marinated (sorry - laminated) this one and kept it in the box

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Patient assessment chart

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0n51ohq...sp=sharing

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Medical Screening Form

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0n51ohq...sp=sharing

[Tibbs735]

I think we need a shift in mindset towards preventative medicine, especially with regards to the modern obesity epidemic, and all the other "civilized" diseases. How is this relevant to prepping? Wouldn't it be easier to stock up on disinfectant, dental hygiene supplies and know how to clean and suture a wound, rather than rely on antibiotics, pliers and whisky, and amputation? (not all at the same time hopefully lol)

[River Song]

Where there is no doctor - pdf book

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0n51ohq...sp=sharing

Ditch Medicine

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0n51ohq...sp=sharing