the beginning of the end.

[bigpaul]

joining a group that is already set up may not be so easy, they may NOT want you hard as that may sound, they might be like me and not trust strangers. starting your own market garden-again I repeat- where are you getting your seeds from? the time to start collecting seeds is NOW not after TSHTF.

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I have to say, joining an already set up group still sounds like you are expecting some one else to make sure you survive, its not really being responsible for your own survival. I'm still not hearing anything that makes me think you are doing anything about surviving until AFTER TSHTF, then its someone else's problem.