Will tech really die?

[bigpaul]

the only way Dick Strawbridge had time for all his projects was because he had a pet engineer living on site, post collapse we will be more concerned with putting food on the table to worry about projects and the like, that may come later many years down the line, I have always said forget electricity-I know there are people who have never lived without electricity but its not that hard to do, I intend to live a simpler life post collapse, get up when it gets light and go to bed when its too dark to do anything, but I realise that there are many out there that will go to pieces without power and their gizmos, computers and stuff. when your out there "scavenging" your spare parts and stuff PLEASE PLEASE watch out for those crazies!!!!!

[Straight Shooter]

Okay .....IT is a Massive cyber attack , the internet is down, satellites are down, all computerized systems are down .... aeroplanes cannot fly, airports cannot function, the only News is on the BBC .....and BBC Radio ( on emergency broadcast only ) your mobile phones do not work. It is announced that its a global attack and everything is being done to get systems back up as soon as possible.........some ham radio guys confirm they have contacted fellow hams and indeed its the same all over the globe.......fuel supplies are stopped for public use within the first 24 hrs ....food supplies are next, all councils arrange food distribution centres they are escorted by the military....within 72 hrs ....Hospitals barely function ......after two weeks....people start to raise up...riots start to break out here and there....but not reported...BBC is now broadcasting Daly...pictures show people pulling together in the bull dog spirit......all fuel is taken from the public....they say its for Hospitals,and emergency services for the good of all ....and its your duty to take your fuel to listed centres....any food being grown ...any animals being reared are now to be made available to the government departments for food and energy.....anyone failing to comply will be removed to internment camps.......curfew is put into place ....this is done on the basis to control theft and some disorder issues .....BBC reports people being shot over theft ....the lorry being used to haul off some cattle was spotted and fired upon killing four.

Its now six weeks in, on the BBC pictures of army engineers fixing power grid and solutions to harness all solar and wind power .....and that all nuclear power stations have now been stabilized and some are back on line.....soon ....we will have power for two hrs per day....at the end of the news food production programs are introduced ....this is followed by Dave Cameron saying he has only had half a sausage and two small potatoes all week ..."we are all in it together "......shit for brains ....or George Osborne.....is killed on a visit to Manchester after he promised he to has only had half a sausage and one potato all week...as he announced this six Cadbury Flakes ....fell to the floor when he removed his white safety helmet ...he was addressing power crew emergency workers who promptly gave him an open ended 22000 volt cable as a thank you for your visit......i will return to this later..

[Scythe13]

It seems like there's a very "mystical" perception of tech.

I half agree with you BP, but also half disagree.

We'll be very much concerned with getting food on the table…after our stores run out. Within an hour I can happily bag 4 big rabbits, and that's with an unmoderated springer, an hour a day…sorted. But, even easier still…just use a cache of food, or stored food. Done. Food for the week..for the next year. Which then gives me a week to convert a few wooden panels into windmill blades, attach an alternator, rig up a pulley belt made from a leather belt or garden hose, or insulated wire, and build a small frame for it. Or to detach a car battery and rig it to some solar panels. Or simpler still, just use a trickle feeder and attach it direct to the car battery. Presto, light for the evenings.

What about the things we build now that we know will work? Convert a few paint tins into wood-gas for a generator, then when fuel stops running, your generator doesn't. Things like that, we we can do now, will make the transition to a SHTF scenario much easier to cope with.

Hell, you could even go as far as to charge a few batteries and get some small speakers going to enjoy a campfire in your street wish music and beer. Okay, maybe not that far. I mean, who wants to have their neighbours as friends on their side?

[bigpaul]

Scythe, please don't plan to live off rabbits, you cannot live solely off rabbits even with a few greens. look up "rabbit starvation".

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it seems some have an almost religious belief in the power of technology, technology is only as good as the supporting systems, if those systems collapse technology will just be so much scrap metal and plastic, I know that is hard for someone brought up in a technological age and I feel such persons...not aimed at anyone in particular, I mean the general public...are in for one helleva shock!!!

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believe there was life before the world wide web and there will be again, some of us grew up in an age even before self service supermarkets(shock...horror....recoils in terror)and that age will come again.

[Scythe13]

Don't worry mate. I've got plenty of understanding of the way rabbits supplement a diet and should not constitute the full thing. I think everyone that comes to the forum learns that within the first few weeks.

Personally, I'm more than happy living without tech. But I'm not so sure things will become totally destitute before we're rebuilt. Even if it takes 50 years to rebuild.

Within the first year, that'll be the die off everyone speaks about. Then there will be less competition for goods and abandoned stuff. It's the abandoned stuff that can very easily be up-cycled into power generators and the alike. A BaoFeng radio, solar panel, and RPi can be used to send SSTV great distances.

The biggest concern would be hospitals and the alike being unable to support people. The rest is pretty simple to do. Really, all the tech you'd need would be fridge/freezer and lights. Then you'd have a 'comfortable' situation. With rudimentary tools, you can build up a reasonable little workshop to start building things. Think of a furnace and billows, then you can be reshaping metal. A welder can run off a car battery. Suddenly you have a hell of a lot of potential going on. I don't mean tech as in computers and the alike, but storing components for them would be wise. Low power consumption, high information benefit.

LED lightbulbs last many years, solar lasts many years, alternators get damaged from the on/off part, more than when just running. As long as the water cycle doesn't stop, anyone near a stream can enjoy a constant flow of electricity, providing they have a brain and a couple of small tools.

[bigpaul]

that all depends on the number of survivors post event, a slow collapse whilst leaving more survivors would see any resources(including spare parts) used up more quickly, resources..of any kind...are infinite, once gone there will be no more, the earth only contains so much raw material much of which is running out as we speak.

[Devonian]

I'm sided with S13 on this, technology will continue to be used and developed in ways we cannot imaging, even after a total collapse and any die off.

You only have to look programmes like scrapheap challenge to see what can cobbled together.

Natural resources won't matter, we won't be extracting them for possibly centuries.....

But....there will be literally millions of cars, bikes, washing machines, garden machinery, power tools and all sorts of other stuff just lying around waiting to be canabilised, and even if the body and casings rot away, the important mechanical parts will generally remain.

Also don't discount how many people already have important tech put aside and protected in faraday cages etc, and I'm not only talking about preppers. Many businesses also protect their data and key infrastructure/hardware from the risk of EMP and massive surge currents etc.

Also for any kind of event to affect the 'entire world' it would have to be pretty spectacular, such as full all out global nuclear war! In which case we'd have a heck of a lot more to worry about.....

[bigpaul]

you are missing the point Dev, if a slow collapse occurs(which I think is the most likely) unless there is a huge die off, there will be millions of other people scrounging for the very same scrap parts that you and Scythe are looking for, it wont take long given the number of people for all the scrap parts to be used up, there are only so many cars, washing machines, computers and such in the UK, without any more being manufactured, the supply...wherever you get it, is finite, in other words its limited, eventually there is no more!!! what then??????

[Straight Shooter]

What ever caused this event is really is of no consequence, i doubt we would know what kicked it off ?...but we may well guess....but as we practice our trade as survivalists would the cause make much difference to us ? ...as pointed out .....NOW!.... is the time for those preparations to be taking place ....these tasks ARE within our control and OUR efforts will bear the most fruits ...the people that hold power will be to busy hanging on to it ....to give a shit about you or me ....THEY will be more concerned about all the sheeple trying to rip their throats out ! AS WE ALSO WILL BE !.....All our time will be taken up with ....hiding what we have and defending what we have...not much else will take up our time is the view I have....the more desperate sheeple become ....the more dangerous they become.....nobody will be worried about mobile phones , Xboxes, television,or the internet this will be the last things on the mind of sheeple......AND US !

[Devonian]

(13 June 2015, 14:52)bigpaul Wrote: you are missing the point Dev, if a slow collapse occurs(which I think is the most likely) unless there is a huge die off, there will be millions of other people scrounging for the very same scrap parts that you and Scythe are looking for, it wont take long given the number of people for all the scrap parts to be used up, there are only so many cars, washing machines, computers and such in the UK, without any more being manufactured, the supply...wherever you get it, is finite, in other words its limited, eventually there is no more!!! what then??????

No, not at all....

There must be a washing machine in nearly every house in the UK, that gives you a motor....

Most households have more than one car, that's a couple of 12v batteries and a couple of alternators, plus lots of other bits.

These sorts of things are very robust and solid and are unlikely to simply rot away or disintegrate. Unlike the body work of your Ford Focus

As for a "slow" die (something you don't believe in....), well for a slow die off to occur it means the general population must be receiving some form of external support, food, water etc.... It would also most likely mean large refugee camps as being the only way for this support to be provided, therefore you aren't necessarily going to have "millions" of people scrounging for the same scrap.

Furthermore, Joe public wouldn't necessarily both either..... they would be more interested in looking for hand outs.

But then even if you are right and millions of people do go out scrounging these parts, the parts will still be around after those people have died or been killed......

And as for me and S13 going out looking for these parts 'with everyone else', well I'm pretty sure S13 like myself has already considered this

As for no more being manufactured , yes that's right, but there are still Millions of these parts out there and they will last way beyond yours and my life times......

But it also doesn't mean that in 50 years we won't be able to start manufacturing such things again either..... look where we were technology wise 50 years back (1965) or 100 years back (1915) - we've come a long long way and whilst I am NOT saying we could back to where we are in 50 or 100 years, but at some point we will.

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(13 June 2015, 15:13)Straight Shooter Wrote: What ever caused this event is really is of no consequence, i doubt we would know what kicked it off ?...but we may well guess....but as we practice our trade as survivalists would the cause make much difference to us ? ...as pointed out .....NOW!.... is the time for those preparations to be taking place ....these tasks ARE within our control and OUR efforts will bear the most fruits ...the people that hold power will be to busy hanging on to it ....to give a shit about you or me ....THEY will be more concerned about all the sheeple trying to rip their throats out ! AS WE ALSO WILL BE !.....All our time will be taken up with ....hiding what we have and defending what we have...not much else will take up our time is the view I have....the more desperate sheeple become ....the more dangerous they become.....nobody will be worried about mobile phones , Xboxes, television,or the internet this will be the last things on the mind of sheeple......AND US !

Yep spot on SS

Why wouldn't any of us have a few second hand car alternators, cables, 12v batteries etc etc tucked away in our garages 'now'....