Urban Violence

[NorthernRaider]

Barney I don't want to go into politics BUT it is NOT their money, it is OUR taxes and I for one object to paying out benefits for anyone for more than 6 months, and guess what Barney the very poorest in society are STILL our pensioners and the RURAL poor in places like Cornwall and the Scots Highlands and Mid Wales, and they don't go out stealing, looting, mugging or defrauding.

Lets say (A) Pays £50 a week in Tax and NI, another £50 in Council Tax, say £400 a month, one night in hospital costs over £1000, not including medics wages or drugs, One year of a childs primary education costs over £5000, £8000 average for senior school, Street lights, Bin Emptying, Schools, Council houses, OAP homes, Social Services, Rural Bus Services, Rail subsidies, Ambulance service, Fire Services, Coast Guards, Council Workers, Air Traffic Control, Army Navy Airforce, Civil Service.

What we pay in never covers the costs of what many take out. Also Whatever YOU or I pay THIS WEEK in NI does NOT get set aside for US, its used immediately to pay TODAYS pensions. When the NI pension scheme was set up they did not start saving for THEIR pensions they just took that weeks NI in 1948 to pay for 1948s pensioners who had paid in NOTHING, the whole system started off in deficit. AND paying in taxes in the fifties and sixties goes nowhere towards the high tech costs of care today.

In a truly FAIR system ( fair being a word much used by the left WRONGLY) In a FAIR system those who USE the state welfare system the most should PAY the most, Those who use it LEAST should pay the least.

If ten of us from this forum met up in a hotel for a meal and one nights stay, NINE of the group stayed in the hotel and ate prime steak, drank champagne but the tent guy stayed in a nearby travel lodge and only had a salad and tap water to drink, should he pay the same amount of the bill as the others ??? NO of course not. So why should people who don't use the welfare state have to pay in the same or more than those who always use it?

It is the social welfare system and NHS turned WHS that is destroying this country, we must get back to when people were RESPONSIBLE for themselves and their own families and stop expecting the rest of society to pay out more and more in taxes to more and more claiments.

Now can we PLEASE get back on topic.