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Do you consider race and etnicity changes as a threat to you?
21 May 2016, 10:33,
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Do you consider race and etnicity changes as a threat to you?
Some people without malice consider the rapidly changing religious and ethnic make up of their communities in a negative fashion and consider it a genuine threat to their continuity. Being an unwelcome and on occasion abused MINORITY in your own community if you will . Many choose to flee (bug out) permenantly or relocate to areas where they can feel more settled and safe, its frequently called WHITE FLIGHT but oddly enough many long established MIGRANT families who are totally Anglicised are also part of this flight.

After MANY long years of these issues only being addressed in minority media the newspapers finally started reporting on it in the UK about 2004, but it has taken until NOW for the Bolshevik Broadcasting Company to actually cover this issue.

I moved out of my former diverse, inclusive multicultural socialist town 11 years ago to a more rural location, I was lucky I know that.

So if for nothing else I think that this program will be worth watching especially for the URBAN members of our community to make what they will of it. I'm just surprised the BBCs lefty loving governors allow it to be shown.
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It will probably be available on I player or BBC US at a later date.


The Last Whites in the East End
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ed-it.html
Death of the Cockney: A BBC film, Last Whites Of The East End, reveals the seismic effects of mass migration on British communities - and how it's often ethnic minorities who are most worried by it
By ROBERT HARDMAN FOR THE DAILY MAIL
'Everything this area stood for is being eradicated slowly but surely,’ says this proud, sad fifth generation East Ender. ‘In ten years’ time, there’ll be absolutely no trace of Cockney culture.’
Things used to be different, he says. ‘I miss those days when everyone knew everyone.’ Now his children are growing up with little knowledge of ‘the British way of life’. These days, he says, some schools are more like ‘Africa or Romania’.
He is not being particularly outspoken. In fact, it is hard to find anyone who was born and bred in these streets who would argue with him. No doubt, Shadow Europe Minister Pat Glass — who this week condemned an entire Derbyshire village after a ‘horrible racist’ voter dared to voice concerns about immigration — would like to have him carted off for re-education.
Cockneys are becoming a minority in east London, ) which is the UK's most multicultural borough, with 70,000 immigrants arriving over the past 15 years
But what is really astonishing is that these remarks come not from some Alf Garnett-style Cockney dinosaur wailing into his pint down at the Queen Vic.
They are the thoughts of Usmaan Hussain, a dad with a young family, who is every bit as proud of his East End roots as his Bangladeshi ancestry. He loves West Ham United and has just started up a Muslim prayer group.
And he is one of many Cockneys whose moving lament for a dying way of life is the subject of a powerful documentary next week on BBC1.
It will make extremely uncomfortable viewing for all the main political parties, not to mention the local council — which is already disputing some of its assertions. And it seems that there are some within the BBC who are worried about this film, too.
I am sure the channel will issue plenty of health warnings before the start of Last Whites Of The East End. And they won’t be referring to the swearing. If you’re the sort of delicate flower who feels threatened by Germaine Greer’s views on gender change or a statue of Cecil Rhodes, then you should switch channels immediately.
Take the story of bus driver Tony Cunningham, 39. He is moving out of the East End, he says, because successive waves of immigration have changed it beyond recognition. ‘White people are given a very, very bad time round here,’ he says. And he is not prepared to raise his baby daughter there.
‘The first thing I think about when I get up is how to get her out of this area,’ explains this gentle giant of a man as he drives through the London Borough of Newham, where a typical primary school has to cope with 43 different languages.
White British 'East Enders' say immigration is killing off traditions that used to be commonplace in the area in the 1970s, according to new BBC documentary Last Whites of the East End
‘Charlotte can’t go to these schools. These schools will make her lose her identity.’
Respect has gone, he says, along with manners, Christmas cards and nativity plays. Christmas, he says, is ‘just a holiday’ these days.
We see Tony and his wife house-hunting out on the fringes of leafy Essex. The estate agent remarks how many people seem to be moving.
‘We’re running, mate!’ he replies. ‘We’re not moving.’
Tony is a quintessential child of the East End, raised on pie and mash, West Ham and Nan’s tales of the Blitz.
But much as Lefties might like to brush him aside as a moaning throwback from Ukip (or something more extreme), it won’t wash. Because Tony knows all about that great liberal shibboleth, ‘community cohesion’.
His mum was fourth-generation Cockney while his father arrived from Jamaica in the Sixties. ‘We was called “n*****” when we was growing up,’ he says matter of factly. ‘I had to educate my Nan. She had a cat called the same thing. She didn’t really get the gist of it.’
He has friends from every ethnic minority and is married to Vally, a Romanian who came to Britain in search of a better life in 2007. They met when she hopped on his bus one day.
In other words, Tony needs no lessons in multi-culturalism. But as far as he’s concerned, it has been handled abysmally.
That’s why he thinks the old East End is doomed and why he wants out.
Bus driver Tony Cunningham, 39, has chosen to raise his daughter away from Newham
This is a beautifully made film which neither patronises nor sensationalises its subjects. And it does not mince its words — which may explain why the BBC has put it in a late-night slot at 10.45pm and given it minimal pre-publicity.
No doubt, if it was about Tory cuts or the bedroom tax or the arts or was presented by the ubiquitous cross-dressing potter Grayson Perry, it would enjoy loud hurrahs on Newsnight or Radio 4. But I have yet to see a single trailer.
The BBC high-ups would probably prefer it to receive a minimum of fuss. After all, it leaves you realising that the East End we see on its flagship soap, EastEnders, is all wrong.
Albert Square is a fantasy land, a period drama, a time warp in which you might still find old geezers reminiscing about East End life under the Kray Twins. It bears little resemblance to the Newham of today.
Even one of the BBC’s own drama chiefs has admitted that the soap is ‘significantly white compared with the real East End’. Now, if the producers of ITV’s Coronation Street filled it with pigeon-fanciers in flat caps with whippets and string round their trouser legs, there would be uproar across the North.
But it’s fine to have a show full of Cockney stereotypes. After all, there aren’t many Cockneys left to complain.
‘Newham is home to a tight-knit white working-class community who have lived here for hundreds of years,’ says the opening commentary.
‘But over the past 15 years, something extraordinary has happened to this Cockney tribe. More than half of them have disappeared.’
‘The life that we knew is finished,’ says one elderly old lady at the East Ham Working Men’s Club.
The manager goes further: ‘People who haven’t been back here for many years say: “I can’t believe what’s happened here.”
‘They come out of Upton Park station and [say]: “I could be in Baghdad.”’
One old chap puts it another way: ‘People who pass opinions about immigration and how wonderful it is for us — they should spend a day or two in Newham. If they think that’s good for England, well I’m a Dutchman.’
We see the fifth-generation Oakman family reduced to tears, as daughter Leanne and her young family prepare to follow the well-worn route out of the East End and over the border into Essex where her children can grow up ‘with their own people’.
We see Eileen Storey, newly widowed at 90, abandoning the only place she knows for Norfolk.
We meet Darren Loveday, 29, a local boxing champion who grew up here with mum and four siblings. Dad was in the clink and Darren learned to use his fists.
It served him well the day a gang told him: ‘White boy, drop your phone and walk off.’ He left them all on the floor, whereupon they accused him of racial assault.
The episode spurred him to leave for Essex, too. ‘I hate this f****** area,’ he says, though he still comes back for boxing matches.
Darren Loveday, pictured, has left Newham and said he was 'the only white kid' at his college growing up
Yet this film, made by Lambent Productions, throws up some important positives. The people in it have no problem with the immigrants themselves. It is the system which dismays them.
Eileen Storey talks lovingly of her Somalian neighbours. It is a very poignant moment as she gives them a hug before leaving for East Anglia. ‘I hope my next neighbours are as nice as you are,’ she tells them.
Darren, the angry boxer, doesn’t blame the incomers but the supine authorities. ‘Everyone’s moving in,’ he says. ‘They’re not taking over. We’re letting them.’ According to the film: ‘Fifteen years of mass immigration and white flight have brought Newham to its tipping point. It now has the lowest white British population of anywhere in the UK.’
According to the latest census, Newham’s white British population has dropped from 34 per cent to 17 per cent in just ten years.
However, Newham council says that this is misleading since the population has increased.
A spokesman points out that the actual number of white British has dropped by a third, not a half — from 82,000 to 52,000 out of a total 308,000.
Newham’s executive mayor, Sir Robin Wales, rejects the idea of an ‘old white working class’ being ‘driven out’. ‘This is London, things are always changing and people move. I have a German mother and a Scottish father.
‘The main thing is that we get on and nearly 90 per cent of people here say they get on well together.’
But the fact remains that only just over half of the borough speak English as their main language.
And it is beyond dispute that the traditional Cockney now accounts for less than one in five of the population.
Leanne Oakham, with mother Debbie, is leaving Newham for Essex, calling the area 'scary'
On present trends, that could soon be less than one in ten. Would you Adam and Eve it? — as absolutely no one says round here. For I have followed the advice of the old boy in the working men’s club.
I have come to spend a day or two in Newham. And I don’t hear a single word of Cockney rhyming slang from anyone. No one talks about going down the ‘frog and toad’ for a pint at the ‘rub a dub’. You might still come across this sort of banter in chi-chi media joints in fashionable parts of town where a spot of Mockney is good for one’s credentials — ‘Golly, I’m cream-crackered after my yoga class’. But it’s as elusive as a Pearly King singing Roll Out The Barrel here at the Queen’s Market on Green Street.
‘No one uses rhyming slang any more — except in prison,’ says Fahim Chaudhry, 25, who describes himself as ‘a proper Cockney’. He is a great ambassador for East End multi-culturalism, too.
Born in the borough, he is from a Kashmiri family and runs a shop selling African-Caribbean beauty products. He says that life might have been hard for ethnic minorities some years ago when ‘there was a bit of racism’, but not any more.
‘The whites are the minority now. It’s ridiculously small. It’s gone too far the other way,’ he says.
What infuriates him most are immigrants who ‘don’t speak a word of English and don’t bother to try’. So does he actually live round here? ‘No, we moved to Wanstead [on the edge of Essex],’ he says. ‘It’s the best thing we ever did.’
On the other side of the market, Ronnie Hoadley, 63, is the last of the old white fruit ‘n’ veg stallholders — and he hasn’t lived round here for years. How many Cockneys does he serve each day? Blank looks. ‘If I get ten in a week, I’d be amazed.’
NEWHAM AT A GLANCE
The London borough of Newham was officially formed in 1965 after the merger of East Ham and West Ham under the new Greater London region.
Traditionally it had a strong white working class population thanks to the Royal Group of Docks that were built between 1855 and 1921.
Named after Queen Victoria, Prince Albert and King George V, the docks became a core part of the local economy, even when they were damaged by German bombing raids during the Second World War.
But their decline started in the 1960s due to the increased use of container ships, and they eventually closing to commercial traffic only in 1981, causing widespread unemployment.
Many homes were destroyed in the area during the Blitz, leading to a huge development of tower blocks and an influx of immigrant workers to build them.
Now it is the most ethnically diverse borough in the UK, with white British making up just 16 per cent of the population in the 2011 census, dropping from 33.8 per cent 10 years earlier.
The 37.5 per cent drop was the largest of any local authority in England and Wales between the two censuses.
Newham was one of the six host boroughs for the 2012 London Olympic Games and was also home to West Ham United's Upton Park until the club left for Stratford's Olympic Stadium.
A few yards down the road, the Boleyn Ground, former home of West Ham United, dominates the landscape. This grand old stadium is somehow emblematic of the Cockney exodus. This month, the Hammers played their last game here, against Manchester United, ahead of next season’s move to the shiny 2012 Olympic stadium.
For the locals, though, it was like losing a member of the family.
‘Match days have always been very big for us and we have had the same loyal customers for years,’ says Richard Nathan, fourth generation boss of Nathan’s Pie and Mash restaurant just round the corner on Barking Road. ‘Then just before the match, all the fans in here stood up and just started applauding us. It was very emotional.’
His pies are all homemade (and they are superb), the jellied eels are cooked on the premises and the place is immaculate.
It’s a proud slice of old East End life which Richard runs with a loyal team including his mother, Chris, and Pam Baldock, who started working here 23 years ago. Without the football club, life is going to be harder for the Nathans.
The dwindling band of Cockneys and the long-established Caribbean community love his food. The Asians and Eastern Europeans, who make up more than half the local population, do not. But Richard, 44, hopes his regulars will keep on coming.
‘One of our busiest days is the day before Mother’s Day. Because you get all these Cockneys who’ve moved out coming back to see their mum or going to the cemetery.’ It’s no surprise to find out where Richard and his young family live. ‘We’ve moved out to Essex,’ he says. ‘People do when they have kids.’
The loss of the football club is going to hit another Cockney staple — the boozer. Ron Bolwell, 78, runs two, the Denmark Arms and the Queen’s. The latter, he says, used to take £12,000 on a West Ham match day. ‘It was the cream which kept us going.’
West Ham United have now left Upton Park, which will have an 'awful' effect on the area, say locals
Without the football club, he says, he might pack up and go back to his native Wales. Migration has already hit business hard. ‘Most Asians don’t drink and a lot of the Eastern Europeans just drink in the street,’ he says. He has recently taken to charging non-drinkers 20p to use the lavatory. ‘Otherwise, they just walk in and pinch a toilet roll.’
Nearby, at the Boleyn Tavern, bar manager Nikita, 30, says that the old East End is long gone. ‘You used to know everyone on your street and you could leave a key on a string.
‘Now, a lot of people don’t speak English and everyone else is terrified of being called a racist,’ she says. Life is much more nuanced and complicated than the likes of Labour’s Pat Glass might think.
‘My family’s all mixed — we’ve got blacks, Filipinos, Scottish,’ says Nikita. ‘But we just can’t keep on letting more people in.’
Finally, just up from the old stadium, I meet Tony Cunningham, the bus driver in the programme. Since the film was made, he has completed the move to Essex. He couldn’t be happier. ‘My wife says I’m a changed man,’ he says. ‘My mum’s still round here but, if it wasn’t for her, I don’t think I’d ever come back. It’s just not the place I knew any more.’
Last Whites Of The East End, BBC1. Tuesday, 10.45pm.

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21 May 2016, 12:14,
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RE: Do you consider race and etnicity changes as a threat to you?
I didn't see the old style immigration as a threat but now I see the new style immigration being a threat to everyone in the West. The immigrants we are importing are not adding to our culture but are bringing disease and worse, a culture of backwardness and ignorance that is both lowering our species IQ and hampering progress.
Skean Dhude
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It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change. - Charles Darwin
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21 May 2016, 12:25,
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RE: Do you consider race and etnicity changes as a threat to you?
Yes fine but I am not going to have this thread derailed as so many do, SD do you see a clear and present danger as a survivalist or prepper from the massive chance in the cultural and religous demographics and do they affect your prepping plans?

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21 May 2016, 16:55,
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RE: Do you consider race and etnicity changes as a threat to you?
Okey Dokey. If we leave the EU then I do not see a risk. If we stay in I do believe that our society will collapse and that the invaders we are allowing in will be a definitive threat to us. My prepping plans remain unchanged as although I consider this a threat I see it being little different from our own inbreds.
Skean Dhude
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It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change. - Charles Darwin
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21 May 2016, 17:03,
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RE: Do you consider race and etnicity changes as a threat to you?
Yes I concur, for me voting the leave the EU and hopefully the ECHR is an none violent act of self defence, however I do not see that event alone being the end of the problem, I think / fear that the revocation of many visas and reights of citizenship MAY be needed in order to restore HMS Britain to an even keel where upon migration once again becomes a POSITIVE influence on our nation.

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21 May 2016, 17:08,
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RE: Do you consider race and etnicity changes as a threat to you?
I don't see race or ethnicity as threats, but rather the failure to assimilate and accept American values, language and culture.

It usually takes a generation or so for things to sort out, but it usually does. The children of Vietnamese boat people who came here after the war have kept most of their culture, but serve in our military, own businesses, work in professions, run for public office and contribute greatly to our society. The same thing occurred the Irish, Italians, Eastern European Jews, Chinese, and every other ethnic group.

For the most part, the Muslim immigrants I have known came here to escape the kind of nonsense which comprises the stereotype. Yes, there are a few radicals, and they must be identified, and dealt with, the same as society dealt with organized crime among the Sicilian Mafia, the New York and South Boston Irish gangs, and we are now dealing with MS13 and narco-terrorists from Mexico.

While Islamic terrorism is a threat, the big difference is that police here are all armed, and are highly professional. You also have a great many armed civilians who are licensed to carry, many of them being military veterans, and even among those who are not ex-military or law enforcement, they are trained as a condition of licensure. While liberal city Democrat voting sheeple might stand idly by and watch their neighbour get his head cut off and patiently wait their turn, in most other places you will have a fight to the death and nobody plans to go quietly.

Yes, I do carry a spare magazine for my "Church Gun."

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21 May 2016, 18:56,
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RE: Do you consider race and etnicity changes as a threat to you?
Yes it does give me many concerns and worries, all anyone need do is look around (Locally )
the thing is this, if the UK had its own boarders ...and complete control there of... tight controls would follow....if anyone wants to come and live and work HERE i see no problem IF you can prove your worth and right to enter, having skills we require and the means to house and support yourself for two years and no benefits or access to the NHS for three years would work ....any dependants would be treated likewise .....This is WHY we MUST vote to leave the EU ....when this IS done next month we can then concentrate on the removal of all illegals , If anyone does not like our way of life and traditions ....you would and could do better in the EU so Please go there....or even the U S A but i doubt you will get a welcome there shortly ....no best thing to do is stay close to your roots and better yet your religious beliefs and culture and feel more at home....best fight for your rights just as we did here in the past......and once we are rid of the EU will will be able to fight and stand on our own two feet again.
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22 May 2016, 15:08,
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RE: Do you consider race and etnicity changes as a threat to you?
You bet your... err... boots I do. Any organization/belief system/religion that condones and/or practices terrorist bombings, sex with children, beheading, burning alive, and execution by dipping in a vat of nitric acid scares the bejeebers out of me.
If at first you don't secede, try, try again!
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22 May 2016, 15:25,
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RE: Do you consider race and etnicity changes as a threat to you?
So you dont like the Tea Party Eh? Smile

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23 May 2016, 08:47,
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RE: Do you consider race and etnicity changes as a threat to you?
Staying on track: Yes, the uncontrolled immigration in recent years has in my opinion created unprecedented threat to the British way of life.

If UK were to exit, would that mean an automatic revocation of all refugee status for those who have already entered under the current EU regulations? That would be an interesting feat to achieve.

What about 3.2million EU workers in the UK ( 11% of the working population)? Will they be sent back to their EU homelands?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/201...w-above-2m

Note that the last figures were for WORKING population...what's the total for WORKING and NON-WORKING I wonder?
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