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Excalibur crossbows
13 December 2018, 12:55,
Excalibur crossbows
I like the idea of recurve simplicity and the Excalibur range seems to be the most respected and now it comes down to which one. Having arthritis creaping up on me and a bad back I wont be opting for a 400 fps model so am looking at the 330-350. Top of the range is the assassin with a built in crank and 360fps but expensive and will that crank be problematic years down the road.....hmm think i'll go for a matrix bulldog 330 or maybe a micro 350. Still a heavy draw weight but will probably manage and can have a removable crank as well if my back isnt having it and vertebrae deciding on a lateral leap..****.that hurts. Ive read that anything over 300fps is sufficient for any large game in the uk so either of these models should do. Anyone have long term experience of Excalibur crossbows?
14 December 2018, 06:29,
RE: Excalibur crossbows
You don’t need over 300 FPS for uk game . At the rages a crossbow is used which for me would be 30 yards at absolute maximum you can get away with less speed . I used to have a Vixen 2 and it was a superb bow . I also experimented with home made wooden bolts for it and it was perfectly fine . Now I don’t recommend them for compound or higher poundage recurved,but the vixen with its 150 lb limbs handled them absolutely fine .
It was also relatively light , had a very light crisp trigger and was rifle accurate at the 25 yard range I shot it , wish I still had it .
You can also check the chace wind crossbow made by Jando . It’s much cheaper than Excalibur but a very well put together bow at the fraction of the price .
You can’t hunt with crossbows or bows in the uk so my best advice is join an archery club .
If you want a tool for hunting then I recommend you get a shotgun licence ,and a good quality spring air rifle . Those would be vastly more useful .

A crossbow has its place , but it’s way down the list and these days it would be the last thing I’d use . A 12 gauge and a quality .177 air rifle will get you any sized game and protect you and your family .Its also not a tool I’d recommend for anyone with back issues.
Personally I think you should be able to span it by hand and even a 150lb limb takes effort.
Excalibur’s are excellent though so if you’re set on an Excalibur I’d recomend a Vixen.
14 December 2018, 09:53,
RE: Excalibur crossbows
Hi Talon thanks for the info, I do have a shopping list for developing an arsenal which includes a Weihrauch HW80 and a shotgun. Ive seen the Jando but have heard reports of limbs breaking [also heard of Excalibur limbs breaking but not so many and Excalibur warrenty is good]. Not having any experience of any of the manufacturers im going with 'you get what you pay for' and am set on getting an Excalibur. Good to hear that high fps isn't necessary I guess at relatively close range it wont be critical.
14 December 2018, 13:52,
RE: Excalibur crossbows
It is your money but I have to agree with Talon on this in every respect.

Your Excalibur is about 3X the price of other comparable units with no advantage over them.

And the crossbow is not the first game getting tool you should be considering. Get that shotgun license and add a good double or three shot pump to the tool box, as well as the airgun, before moving into the world of exotics, especial exotics as expensive as the Excalibur series.

If you spend that 700-1500 pounds on a good air gun and shotgun you will have twice the game in the pot for the same money and hunting effort.
14 December 2018, 14:50,
RE: Excalibur crossbows
Thanks Montblanc point taken- I will be getting a shotgun and maybe even a hunting rifle but it wont hurt to have a crossbow stashed. I think I would quite like target shooting with it so at least it would keep me amused! I would say the Excalibur series has a better reliability toughness / reputation over cheaper bows. I wont be skimping on outlay when it comes to collecting an arsenal [within reason].Im quite envious of those in the US who haven't got to jump through flaming hoops like here in the UK to buy a firearm-need a licence for an airgun in the Highlands now.
14 December 2018, 17:11,
RE: Excalibur crossbows
Well since you're determined to go the Excalibur route I won't suggest the benefits of lower cost bows .
The Weihrauch 80 is a superb choice , it's heavy when scoped but I find that helps.The only things I'd suggest is get the HW80k in .22 with open sights and a good quality one piece mount for your scope . A moderator on a spring gun doesn't offset the benefits of having backup iron sights in my opinion , they're much more effective on pre charged rifles,and weihrauch open sights are superb . I'd also suggest for shooting irons get the HW77 rear sight . It'll give you a longer sight radius . As I'm sure you're aware the 80 is still the benchmark for higher power tuning in spring rifles. Some can go higher like a Diana 52 but I prefer break barrel simplicity.

There's a wealth of information on tuning the 80 . I would also purchase an export rated spring to keep tucked away in the drawer( I'm not suggesting you fit it as its a 5 year sentence if you don't have it on ticket) . It's pretty sluggish when restricted to our 12ftlb limit as its really a 20ftlb + rifle. It would be my desert island air rifle of choice.
And get a Mossberg 2+1 .
14 December 2018, 22:09,
RE: Excalibur crossbows
Cheers Talon for the very good info, must admit ive had to look up some of the terms you used ie moderator/irons etc I haven't used a rifle since I was a kid and never a Weihrauch. I do like owning well made gear whether a rifle or a fishing rod-gives a good feeling every time its used as well as confidence. Right im off to go find out what a Mossberg is...…!
15 December 2018, 18:05,
RE: Excalibur crossbows
CB a Mossberg is an American produced shotgun of modest cost and exceptional durability.

They come in a variety of forms and Talon has directed you to the Mossberg 500 series, which in the UK is limited to 2 shots in the magazine and 1 in the chamber.

In the U.S. we do not have the magazine capacity limitation unless one is hunting. If hunting we do have the same restriction of 2+1.

At one time the Mossberg in military trim (bayonet lug and barrel shroud) was the shotgun issued to U.S. troops for security details and limited combat and it holds the distinction of passing the military trials test, which includes 5000 rounds of military 12 gauge ammo (military 12 gauge is loaded to magnum levels), with only one stoppage per 1000 rounds for any reason and no parts breakage.

U.S. troops now use a Benelli of very specific design.

I believe the price difference between the 2 shotguns is about $1700 U.S., so we consider the Mossberg a viable alternative.

I own several of these beasts, one has been with me for 35 years of hard use without incident and a second has been carried in the field for the past 10 years. The third I just bought recently as part of my gun rescue program which I have declared my mission in life.

A second shotgun which might be of interest would be the Remington 870, which is also a pump shotgun of long production and excellent reputation.

They are tough as nails and the shotgun I choose as my personal favored EOTWAWKI shotgun. One trait I prefer with the 870 over the Mossberg is that the 870 is infinitely adjustable. With a simple screw driver one can swap all the parts from aftermarket suppliers and make an infinite variety of changes to customize the shotgun to any use.

As an example, I have 28" field barrel with interchangeable choke tubes and a standard buttstock. I also have 18' and 20" barrels and a folding stock when a shorter firearm is needed and I have a 24" rifled barrel, which is scoped, for the most accurate presentation of rifled slugs one could imagine. There are also magazine extensions which you folks are not allowed that boost my shot capacity up to 14 rounds. Yes it is heavy but the 14 round application I would consider a home defense tool and not intended to be carried all day in the field. All of these features can be changed from one to the other or may be kept in reserve to use one single receiver for all purposes.

Over here we register the frame rather than the individual barrels. The frame is what carries the serial number of the firearm no matter what its form in other areas.

I have also had good success with the Hatsan shotgun line, specifically the Escort series of pump shotguns. Over here they are cheaper than a single shot gun and have proven very durable. I have purchased several of the Hatsan shotguns and scattered them around the family for assorted uses.

I will not delve into the details of the HW80 since it is easily obtainable in the UK and has its own nearly 70 year reputation to study.

I have many thousands of rounds through my HW30 at this point and it is a superb rifle. I have used it both indoors and outdoors and find it equally accurate at 10m to 25m. By accurate I am speaking of 12-14mm 10 shot groups at 25m outdoors with temp and wind changes, with pellets it likes. I do find mine sensitive to pellet choice but that is not really an issue with air rifle ammo since low cost allows one to find an ammo the rifle likes and stockpile it.

I would agree with Talon on the choice of a .22 in the "pot gun" category. The sub 12lb .22 might not be more powerful on paper, but in reality it anchors game much better due to the presentation of the pellet. A .177 pellet at the top of the power range will sometimes over penetrate while the .22 pellet dumps all of its energy inside the game animal.
15 December 2018, 20:06,
RE: Excalibur crossbows
Thanks Montblanc/talon very good info and advice- ive learnt a lot already. I did wonder about 22 versus 177 and Montblanc's description ",22 pellet dumps all of its energy inside the game animal" is one I can understand better than any high tech explanation. So .22 it is then. I do recall the Mossburg name now as I was browsing shotguns some months ago and remember it was around £500 for a 2+1- that'll do nicely.
15 December 2018, 22:27,
RE: Excalibur crossbows
I have an old Barnet Wildcat crossbow, not used it for years, it’s been relagated as a wall hanger in the loft “den”, it’s been replaced by an Anglo Arms Hornet only 120 lbs, but i do want to put my back out with a high power bow like some prepper (MB knows who). And there’s not much big game to take down around here. I’m thinking of treating the OH to an Armex Blackhawk 99 lbs, also fires 8mm bb’s, useful.

As for air rifles due to the pathetic 12 f/lbs limit here over penetration is not really a problem, with pigeons 22 pellets can bounce off the feathers, while 177s get through, as for fitting more powerful springs whose to say was the gun upto the 12 f/lbs in the first place ?.

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