Ukraine

[Straight Shooter]

The BRICS system is in place and ready SD all these countries are getting out of the USD they have had enough .... the moment they fire that system up , the fun starts .

[Pete Grey]

The aims of the BRICS system are “to promote peace, security, development and cooperation”, so no chance with Russia and China involved.

[bigpaul]

seems the Russians want Crimea to be recognised by Ukraine as Russian and the 2 break away regions as independent states, they also want the Ukraine army to disband but this last wont happen.
I have thought since this war started that Russia wants to annex the Eastern part of Ukraine which is Russian speaking, the Western side is less populated and probably of no interest.
a bit like German speaking areas in WW2.

[bigpaul]

if Putin isnt stopped and stopped soon then we ARE looking at WW3.
the very instant Russia attacks a Nato country, like say Poland for instance then thats it we will be in a nuclear war.

[Straight Shooter]

No I don’t think that will happen BP ....although a possibility, but a mild one . The deal has already been done on the outcome , Ukraine has been sacrificed ! Verbal support and egging on of defence and attack by the Ukrainians by the west is one thing ....giving encouragement for fight while we hide behind NATO as a reason not to act is a feeble argument ....although the Ukraine leader asked for help from anywhere then receives understanding nods of agreement ....nothing really happens on the ground only sanctions from afar ....all the while innocent people die and go hungry and homeless which is NORMAL state of war .....the Ukraine leader just does not realise what is going on yet , being feisty and courageous is one thing ....when the penny drops and he realises the fit up and being isolated from the start ....the Ukrainians will not forget what has taken place and who were the real friends and foe then the conclusion in the final analysis .....everyone was a foe !

[bigpaul]

Ukraine is not a Nato country, if one Nato plane flies over Ukraine then we will be in WW3. I dont think anyone wants that except maybe Putin, so no "boots on the ground" and no "no fly zone".

[Straight Shooter]

Yes I am well aware BP .....but I think you are missing my point with all due respects .

[bigpaul]

maybe I am, but any involvement by the West and goodness knows how Putin will react, he's already lost his rag over the sanctions so any actual involvement in the war could provoke a nuclear holocaust, he's just liable to do it, I remember him saying a long time ago " why should the world exist if there isnt a Russia in it".

[CharlesHarris]

[bigpaul]

Russians bombed a maternity hospital and a kids hospital in Mariupol, Ukrainians are calling it a war crime.