Debating the debaters

[NorthernRaider]

Let me clarify my point a bit if a group of people democratically CHOOSE to contribute to a community fund or scheme and / or democratically CHOOSE to offer their Labour to the community freely that is definitely FAIR. But FORCING people to pay for public services they do not want and will never use is neither fair nor just.

Look at the obscenity that is the welfare state, Those who pay the most tax through hard word etc are normally those least eligible to claim from the system, but those who make it a life times career living off benefits pay in almost nothing. That is simply immoral and wrong. The welfare system should be paid for by those who use it the most. BUT It should only be paid for by people who WANT to be part of a welfare system, those who do not want to participate should not be forced to and of course then they would not be able to use it.

Every socialist scheme ever devised becomes corrupted, bloated and abused that is a fact, Gimme back the huge amounts of tax I pay each year and I will decided on what medical and welfare system I want for my family, FAIR and JUST.

TL is right in his appraisal but I would add ANY WELFARE or HEALTHCARE or SOCIAL STATE system should and must be based upon VOLUNTARY membership. Only issues like Defence , Roads, etc should be covered by national taxation.