Peak oil

[Skvez]

The scary thing isn't peek oil as such it's the ratio of "barrels of oil retrieved" vs "barrels of oil used to retrieve and refine". Once upon a time that ratio was 100:1.
They are talking about a ratio of only 3:1 for Frack oil.
Obviously this drives up the cost

[Paul]

(22 August 2012, 13:46)bigpaul Wrote:

(22 August 2012, 13:44)Paul Wrote: Won't be able to afford the bread.

make your own

Ha, got you!
Wheat is in short supply

[Prepaday]

What ya all gonna do if oil shoots right up? How you gonna drive to your bug out destination? Might buy a horse of the pikies
How long will a stash of fuel last buried in the garden? It would make sense to buy some now and hide it away but just wondering what the shelf life is?
What oil based products could we buy now or in the near future to barter with?

[Hrusai]

not the easiest of questions tbh, there alot of different conflicting opinions on the matter, i guess the best way to ensure your fuel lasts is to keep in an air tight container (most fuel containers arent air tight) and there are various stablising/preservative agents you can add to the petrol to make it last longer, alternately im led to believe diesel lasts alot longer

i guess its just a case of reading alot around the best methods, but tbh i cant see you going wrong by just whacking it into an airtight container! after all that should limit the oxidation that the petrol could undergo

[Prepaday]

If oil runs out or gets to be stoopid money, everything we buy would be so dammed expensive, Some factories that make our goods will have to close, so products will run out, our first aid kits, our plastic wrapped products, torches, everything COULD stop being made.
I'm going to concentrate on storing emergency supplies for the next few weeks, espesh first aid/medical supplies. Until I have the knowleadge to forage for plants that are medicinal I will have to stock up on modern stuff.
I saw a bandage, it looked like it was made of a plastic typed stuff, wrapped in plastic, printed instruction, paper price ticket(all this uses oil in some form to produce/market) I grudged paying £2.00 for it but kinda thinking to get a few in at £2.00 before they cost £4.00?
I just threw away some bubble wrap thinking there was no use for it...woke up this morn and thought..I wonder if that would make good insulation, s..t, gonna rake the bin now,
Going to buy a few extra packs of cling film....save some plastic bottles, coz you never know..do I sound as if I'm worried about the oil peak? lol...VERY

[Hrusai]

well my dad runs a wholesale packaging business and the price of all plastic based products has risen by something stupid by 1000% in the last decade, and it aint gonna get cheaper, the main factors for this price increase is partially decrease in oil stocks and increases in countries stockpiling it, mainly china, they have vast reserves that they are not sharing with anyone, and being a reasonably large prodcuer as well this effects the global market.

so best advice for plastic and oil reliant products is get em while their hot, before the prices go through the roof (more so )

the more you look at this stuff the more you see the need for renewable and alternative energy sources!

[Prepaday]

http://www.oildecline.com/
If you go halfway down the page, this explains why alternative power sources are a no go
I think the page has some really good reasons why it's too late to use anything else, Please read x
If you disagree please tell me why x

[Hrusai]

ok so theres alot of valid points in that article, but theres alot of short sightedness as well, the writer seems to be categorically stating that renewables lack the versatility needed, and whilst no singular renewable or clean source of energy is versatile enough to cover all the different applications that oil can, but combinations of said renewables most certainly can.

now im not saying renewables are easy to setup and develope, or by any means easy to implement, they arent, they will require time effort and input from our society as a whole, both governmental and general, scientists need to be listened to, not jsut relegated to the post of crack pots wot invent stuff, they arent, they cover wide areas of expertise and can understand systems and optimise them far beyond any other individuals.

in my eyes were we to go down the route of clean and renewable we would certainly have to use up stockpiles of oil, as well as using novel methods to produce extra oil whilst we make the transition, such as the "magical" method of using sunlight to produce petrol from the air.

i also think that space based solar is one of the best ways to go, but would take roughly 5-10 years to perfect at our current rate of investment, but if we were to accelerate development and set more researchers with bigger budgets on the matter, its feasible to have the technology ready in under 5 years, hell if the funding was present and various agencies willing we could get it up and running in the next year, but that simply wont happen, governments are too stubborn and people are too greedy. 1m^2 of solar panel in space can generate the equivalent of over 42m^2 on earth! and by beaming it down in the form of microwaves, then transforming it back into proper electricity.

if we utilised current solar we could easily keep the juice flowing for houses easily, by coating roofs, using solar paint for walls, and also using low efficiency transparent solar films on windows, couple this with a few wind turbines and houses wouldnt need to have their electricity provided by companies, and oil could be reserved for industrial applications. you could also use the same solar innovations (that all currently exist now btw) to lower companies and industrial power consumption, all of this easing the transition over to renewables.

of course none of this will happen largely due to greed, companies dont want to lose out, so they dont want to support these technologies, and bugger the planet! politicians aint much better, i frequently think that the human race would work better if run by a single logical unbiased individual anyways i could go on but im starting to ramble somewhat xD

[Prepaday]

More money in oil than other renewable energy....So why would anyone invest time and money to make a few pennies?
If it was us...every penny counts but big companies that can afford to set up other resources want millions of pounds in profit

[NorthernRaider]

(23 August 2012, 08:04)Prepaday Wrote: What ya all gonna do if oil shoots right up? How you gonna drive to your bug out destination? Might buy a horse of the pikies
How long will a stash of fuel last buried in the garden? It would make sense to buy some now and hide it away but just wondering what the shelf life is?
What oil based products could we buy now or in the near future to barter with?

A Bicycles, horses, boats, canoes, steam locos, LPG powered vehicles, Ponies. However those preppers with motorised bug out plans have alreasy stored enough treated fuel to get them to their place of safety, after that the BOV has done its job.

Treated fuel can last up to 3 1/2 years for petrol and 5 or more for diesel, which is long enough to start making your own biol diesel or convert to other transport systems.

Parafin, Diesel, Meths for barter.

FYI here is a list of products made from oil that will no longer be available AFTER TSHTF

Look at the list below and think how much you need supplies of these items and consider obtaining extra supplies of the things that are essential to your lifestyle.

Oil makes petrol, diesel, heating oil, bunker oil, grease, lubricants but also

Ammonia, Anaesthetics, Antihistamines, Antiseptics, Artificial limbs, Artificial Turf, Antiseptics, Aspirin, Auto Parts, Awnings, Balloons, Ballpoint pens, Bandages, Beach Umbrellas, Boats, Burns dressings Cameras, Candles, Car Battery Cases,

Carpets, Caulking, Combs, Cordura, Cortisones, Cosmetics, Crayons, Credit Cards, Curtains, Deodorants, Detergents, Dice, Disposable Nappies, Dyes, Eye Glasses, Electrical Wiring Insulation, Fabric Conditioner, Faucet Washers,

Fishing Rods, Fertilizer, Fishing Line, Fishing Lures, Food Preservatives, Food Packaging, Garden Hose, Glue, Hair Colouring, Hair Curlers, Hand Lotion,

Hearing Aids, Heart Valves, Ink, Insect Repellent, Insulation, Insecticides, Laundry Detergents, Linoleum, Lip Stick, Milk Jugs, Nail Polish, Oil Filters, Panty Hose, Perfume, Petroleum Jelly, Rubber Cement, Rubbing Alcohol, Shampoo,

Shaving Cream, Shoes, Toothpaste, Trash Bags, Upholstery, Vitamin Capsules, Water Pipes, Yarn, Plastics, Lubricants, Gasoline, Diesel, Heating Oil. Specialised Medicines, Pop Bottles, Contact Lenses, Lenses for spectacles ,

Sun Block Cream, Soaps, UPVC windows, Polycarbonate, Polythene, Synthetic rubber, Nylon, Neoprene, Polyester, Sandwich bags, Pantyhose, Vaseline, Wiring insulation, Ink Cartridges, CD ROMs CDR/DVDR discs, etc.