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Brexit no deal
23 May 2019, 23:49,
#31
RE: Brexit no deal
Forwarded to me from a friend across the pond who is your neighbour. I think he makes some good points:


Lest we forget - Just to concentrate minds. on who to vote for."
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2011 - Cadbury moved to Poland with EU grant.
2011 - Ford Transit moved to Turkey with EU grant.
Jaguar Landrover new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, sold to Volkeswagen last week.
Peugeot closed Ryton plant (was Rootes Group) moved production to Slovakia.
British Army's new Ajax armed vehicles to be built in Spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant instead of Wales.

Dyson goes to Malaysia with an EU grant.
Crown Closures Bournemouth (was Metal Box) gone to Poland with EU grant. Once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to FE with EU loan.
Hornby Models gone. All toys and models gone from UK with patents… all with EU grants.
Gillette gone to E. Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.

Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil foam plant will relocate to Roemond Netherlands with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr Tydfil factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company, Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland's Akzo Nobel with EU bank loan. Within days of the merger, several UK factories were closed eliminating 3,500 jobs.

Boots sold to Italian Stefano Pessina who've based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year using an EU loan for the purchase. Now issued profit warning last week.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutchmen who bought up companies in the UK with £20 million EU 'regeneration grants', created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean up paid by the UK taxpayer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.

UK airports owned by Spanish company.
Scottish Power owned by Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies (Deutschebarn).

Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by EDF (Energie de France) part owned by French Govt. using cheap Chinese steel which has catastrophically failed at other nuclear installations. EDF now says the costs will double and it will be very late if it even does come online.
Swindon once made rail locomotives and rolling stock. All transferred to Bombardier in Derby due to their losses in the aviation market will see the end railway manufacture altogether. Bombadier got a grant to keep going in Derby, but diverted it to their loss-making aviation site in Canada.

39% British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies mostly in the EU.

Mini cars are built by BMW in Holland and Austria.
Fans outrage as foreign firm Nestle shrinks Terry's Chocolate Oranges by 10% but price remains the same.

And the last is the destruction of our steel industry. We invented the process in 1856, before Henry Bressemer everything was made of cast iron or bronze/copper! British Steel's receivership loses 25,000 jobs. Makes us dependent on poor quality imports (see above Hinkley Point C) with the knock on effects to manufacturing.
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24 May 2019, 00:40,
#32
RE: Brexit no deal
The elites everywhere are so fond of believing that their wealth and position are proof that they have the superior, God-given capacity to determine social equity/fairness for all of the “Walmart masses”, and that there is within this awareness, an inherent duty for them to arbitrate the life conditions of those same masses, as most certainly they’re incapable of negotiating life without such guidance.

The American revolution and the ongoing industrial revolution both went a long way toward sounding the death knell of landed aristocracy/feudalism/colonialism loudly and clearly; still, it took another 150 years (WW I) for the tolling of the bell to result in any widespread change. Democracy crept in, it was literally an experimental system of government in nearly all of Europe (most empire remnants kept some form of royalty around as pets or whatever); suddenly, uneducated serfs and peasants were supposed to look after themselves, and no longer seek solace or redress of problems from the crown. Meanwhile, Karl Marx had unleashed Communism, which system had tremendous appeal to all those uneducated, emancipated serfs and peasants. Then came the 1929 crash, then WW II. Europe was trashed but in the parts where the US could exert control, democracy did pretty well, as did capitalism. Unfortunately, the long war policy of the Soviets has born fruit, eroding democracy and degrading freedom everywhere within the EU, with the results detailed by your friend. The aristocracy, both the titled and the new rich, rely on feudal roots of many thousands of years depth and influence to expand their power, keep the dirty commoners in line and allow them to cultivate delusions of adequacy, if not superiority. They can look to the oligarchs in Russia and the billionaires in China to see that it is possible for them to maintain their wealth and power in both communist and fascist countries. No worries, eh?

Britain needs to get out, then revolt against 60 years of socialism. We’ll see.

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24 May 2019, 16:48,
#33
RE: Brexit no deal
I did not know it was EU grants had funded the rape of our industry.

Why have our successive governments allowed it.

Together with the US we fed europe after WW2.

When the EU collapses we should let the bastards starve.
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26 May 2019, 22:07,
#34
RE: Brexit no deal
Excellent information ammo CH. Thank your friend.
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27 May 2019, 16:35,
#35
RE: Brexit no deal
(24 May 2019, 16:48)Pete Grey Wrote: I did not know it was EU grants had funded the rape of our industry.

Why have our successive governments allowed it.

Together with the US we fed europe after WW2.

When the EU collapses we should let the bastards starve.

It is very simple Pete, your successive governments are not separate entities, they are part of the process. Your leaders helped form the plan from 1900 onward. It was well under way before WW1 erupted and sped the process.

You had one renegade during WW2 but he was ousted immediately at the close of the war. The intent being to continue strict government control of all phases of life under a "nanny state", sanctioned by the wartime emergency, crippling the initiative of the population and rendering them completely government dependent.
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27 May 2019, 20:58,
#36
RE: Brexit no deal
The trouble now is the sheeple are now so much dependent on the nanny state it’s almost to late.

We need a hard brexit, as hard as it can be, to shake the complacency out of TPTB and the sheeple, and if it’s bad enough to cause riots before things are sorted so be it.

Then we need to rebuild the manufacturing base and try to get back to where our industry should be.

A hard brexit will probably cause another fall in the pound but that will help exports, imported raw materials will cost more, and so will imported food and fuel.

We need to produce more and grow more, and cut waste, we need to start fracking and we are sitting on coal reserves estimated to last us 200 years.

German industry is in a slight decline, we should take advantage it. Spain France and Italy do not have the traditional engineering background we have.

We were the worlds fifth largest economy, with the right leadership we can better it.
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27 May 2019, 21:21,
#37
RE: Brexit no deal
pete grey why would fracking help.the gas that is produced is being loaded into tanks and being exported to ineous plants worldwide.none is being put in the grid
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27 May 2019, 23:57,
#38
RE: Brexit no deal
(27 May 2019, 21:21)Stewart Wrote: pete grey why would fracking help.the gas that is produced is being loaded into tanks and being exported to ineous plants worldwide.none is being put in the grid

According to the british gas website we only produce 44% of our gas needs, 47% of our gas comes from european pipe lines, the remaining 9% is liquid natural gas coming in by tanker.

Three quarters of our homes are heated by gas, a quarter of our electricity is generated by gas.
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6 June 2019, 00:46,
#39
RE: Brexit no deal
An interesting read

Theresa May’s successor should not allow the UK to be entangled in EU legal, defence and security projects

https://brexitcentral.com/theresa-mays-s...-projects/

Some tidbits:

Now, if Europe is going to become a single State, we need to ask, what does that mean in practice? What is the essence of State power? The State is that body in society which alone can use violence, legally, on the bodies of the citizens. If anybody else seizes someone and locks them up, against their will, beating them and manhandling them forcibly if they resist, they are criminal kidnappers. But if officers of the State do it, under its laws, it is called justice.

Likewise if a private person takes money from someone, threatening to seize their property by main force and lock them up if they refuse to pay, they are robbers. Or protection racketeers. But if the State does it, it is called taxation. These powers are regulated by the criminal laws of the State in question. The control of criminal laws is thus the handle for control of the State and of all the people in it. The legal monopoly of the State over the use of violence also serves to constitute armed forces, which defend the State from external aggression, providing its external security. They can also be used on the home front, against disorders and rebellions, providing internal security where the police alone are unable, or perhaps unwilling, to cope.

The issue of Security is therefore not just about keeping people safe from criminals, or keeping a country safe from foreign invasion.

Whoever controls the security services, internal and external, of a State, controls that State and all the people in it.

For 370 years now we in Britain have experienced transfers of power without violence, by voting, elections and agreed legal procedures...

We have forgotten the old truth that when push comes to shove, bullets beat ballots. Or as Mao Tse-Tung put it, “Power springs from the barrel of a gun”. They are learning that lesson in Venezuela today. And they are aware of it in continental Europe, where nearly every nation has experienced violent transfers of political power in living memory. All humans are accustomed to living under the power of a State...

To pursue its aim of building a United State of Europe, the Eurocrats in Brussels are now openly taking steps to set up a unified European Defence Force. Mrs May’s (badly misnamed) “Withdrawal Agreement” would bind the UK to sourcing our military matériel from EU providers. This alone would limit greatly our freedom of movement.

A group of retired high-ranking officers of our armed forces and intelligence services – Veterans for Britain – have been working to alert the public and the politicians to these developments. Their work has been largely ignored by the mainstream media. Clearly once the UK’s and other member states’ armed services are amalgamated into a unified force under the EU flag, controlled and commanded from Brussels, British regiments could be deployed to fight abroad in wars not decided by our Parliament. Not only that, there is an even greater danger: our soldiers could then be stationed far from Britain, say, on the Ukrainian border, while, say, Latvian, German and Romanian units could be deployed in Britain, available for public order service, to face down riotous behaviour by members of the British public protesting, say, against laws passed by the Eurocrats in Brussels, whom we did not elect and cannot dismiss...

Brussels also wants control over our internal security, our legal system and in particular our criminal laws. In 1997 the Commission held a seminar, which I attended, in Spain, to unveil its “Corpus Juris” project for an embryo single criminal code for all Europe. This code embodies the principles used in the Napoleonic-inquisitorial procedures of continental European countries, and our unique safeguards of individual freedom such as Habeas Corpus and Trial by Independent Jury, part of our Magna Carta heritage, were to be ditched. It would set up a European Public Prosecutor, who would have a delegate in each member state, to whom national public prosecutors would owe a duty of “assistance”, i.e. would be subordinated. He and his delegates would be armed with fearsome powers of arrest and detention of suspects for up to six months, renewable for three months at a time, “pending investigation”, while the authorities seek evidence to justify the arrest, with no right by the prisoner to a public hearing during this time nor obligation on the prosecution to produce any evidence of a prima facie case to answer. This is the regular practice in countries governed by the Napoleonic-inquisitorial systems, and Corpus Juris would extend it to the British Isles...

In 1998 Kate Hoey, then Home Office Minister, promised Parliament that the Government would veto it if it were ever formally introduced. The next year a commission of the House of Lords, chaired by Lord Hope of Craighead, examined Corpus Juris and published a Report (HL 62) rejecting it. However, at a conference in Tampere that year, the Blair Government put forward the idea of Mutual Recognition by member states of each other’s judicial decisions. This eventually led to the adoption of the European Arrest Warrant in 2003. It was opposed at the time by the Tory Party, but later, when they were in office, it was touted by May and David Cameron as a necessary tool for combating crime. Yet its main feature is that it dispenses with the need to show or indicate any evidence of wrong-doing to the court that is expected to extradite a suspect...

What is unappreciated even by lawyers and law-givers in Britain, is that as often as not there is no evidence yet gathered by requesting states in Europe, since their procedures do not need any evidence previously gathered of a prima facie case to answer, in order to arrest and imprison someone. In numbers of cases this has caused considerable controversy in the UK. So far the argument that the EAW is illegitimate since it is repugnant to Magna Carta (sec. 38) has not yet been tested in court.

Each continental country has, not only a legal system that is quite alien to our own, but also police forces that are very different from ours. UK police are typically unarmed, locally recruited, commanded and deployed, and tasked with the prevention and detection of crime. Theirs are lethally armed at all times, nationally recruited and deployed, organised under a military central command, and tasked chiefly with the maintenance of public order.

Some fifteen years ago, Brussels decided to set up its own “European Gendarmerie Force”. Eight EU member states are at present contributing their own “police forces with military status” to this Federal riot-police force, and they are training side by side in barracks in Vicenza, Northern Italy, being welded into a single body. So far they have been wearing an EU armband over their national uniforms, and have progressed to a unified headgear. Doubtless they will in due course be issued with a “European” uniform…

Under article 6.3 of the Treaty of Velsen, signed by the contributing states, they may be deployed in any state “with its consent”.

What is perhaps not appreciated is that once they have set their boots on the territory of a member state, they will not be obliged to leave if that State says it withdraws its consent, for they owe allegiance only to Brussels. The referendum debate in 2016 took place very largely around arguments of trade and control of borders. The issue of Security was almost entirely neglected. Yet if the result had gone the other way, if the Remain vote had won, the powers that be, in Brussels and in Westminster, would surely have taken this as a total acceptance by the British people of the entire EU project – hook, line and sinker.

We would have found ourselves subjected to the full nine yards, namely:
No more opt-outs or rebates
Doubtless in due course adoption of the euro, as provided by the Lisbon Treaty
Not just the European Arrest Warrant, which is a stepping stone to Corpus Juris, but the full Corpus Juris itself
The amalgamation of our armed services into a unified EU Defence Force

We would have found ourselves inextricably bound in, a province of the European “Empire”. The danger, however, is not ended. At present, we have Mrs May still at the helm and she will remain there until a successor can be found, maybe until mid-to late July. She is on record (Hansard) as having said, in reply to a Parliamentary Question by Dominic Raab in June 2012 when she was Home Secretary, through her Minister James Brokenshire, that “of course” she would call in “special intervention units from our EU allies onto British soil” if she “saw the need”.

This would mean French Gendarmes, Italian Carabinieri, Spanish Guardia Civil – the very forces that make up the European Gendarmerie Force. Once here they would not leave, if asked to by a new British government. They would take orders only from their masters in Brussels, who claim supremacy over us. This incredibly reckless, some might say treasonous, statement, has passed completely under the radar, unnoticed and uncommented upon by all. Her potential successors – including Dominic Raab who elicited this statement from her – must be asked to comment on it. The safety of the realm demands that nobody who does not reject it outright should be allowed near the levers of power.

She had also said she intended to sign a Security Treaty with the EU, “after Brexit”. She went to Munich to say she was “unconditionally” committed to this. Not only that, her then Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, told Parliament in 2017 that even after Brexit the Government aimed for us to remain a member of Europol, and to keep the European Arrest Warrant as is. A possible successor to Theresa May, Boris Johnson, is rumoured to have offered the post of Chancellor of the Exchequer to Amber Rudd if she backs his leadership bid… We can thus see that while the British people have been engrossed in a debate about jobs and trade and prosperity, a spider’s web net of steel has been quietly spun around us, by the clever fellows in Brussels and their willing or ignorant accomplices amongst our own politicians. We still have a chance to break free, before the net closes in. Whoever takes over from Theresa May must reject her “unconditional commitment” to accepting these fetters on our national – and personal – freedom.

The European Arrest Warrant must be reformed, so that a British court is empowered to see, and assess, the evidence against a suspect, before granting extradition.

Habeas Corpus must not be sacrificed. Otherwise Napoleon will be having the last laugh on us after all.

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7 June 2019, 22:42,
#40
RE: Brexit no deal
That is why Verhofstadt was screaming and demanding/begging for an EU army in the EU parliament a few months ago.
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