Sustainable Guns.

[Keith]

[Skean Dhude]

Very interesting. I must confess I have looked at this in the UK but it didn't go too far. I think your list brings home the advantages though and I'll have a look what the licensing issue is here. In the UK we have a nanny state pretty much like Oz and it could be similar.

[Keith]

Very interesting. I must confess I have looked at this in the UK but it didn't go too far. I think your list brings home the advantages though and I'll have a look what the licensing issue is here. In the UK we have a nanny state pretty much like Oz and it could be similar.

Well I know for a fact that there are 17th & 18th century living history groups in the UK
& the members are carrying muzzle-loading guns. Not 100% sure, but I think Greens Rangers might now be a part of New France Old England. If you want to learn some good skills these would be the people to get in with.
Keith.

[harrypalmer]

I've seen you Keith on another forum somewhere.

Personally I prefer more accurate weapons.

[Mortblanc]

I have done the buckskinning and reenacting thing here in the US for 50 years and I agree that if you want to attain a skill set beyond belief that is one way to go. What we did two or three weekends each month is now considered extreme survival training.

Add to that the tasks of making ones gear, clothing, edged tools and some of us building our own firearms and it became a life changing experience.

However, there is a reason all of that gear is considered obsolete. That is because it is obsolete. Knowing how to use such technology is great but depending on it as first line gear is not the best direction for training or funds expenditure.

BTW, I have already lived twice the years of life expectancy one had when using that technology. It is not "better" that what we have today. The number of people that froze, starved and died of deficiency diseases and things we cure with OTC meds made old men and women strange and respected individuals.

[LAC]

Interesting Keith. Do you or have you ever used crossbows for hunting?

[Keith]

I've seen you Keith on another forum somewhere.

Personally I prefer more accurate weapons.

Either you have not used a muzzle-loading gun Harry or what you mean is longer distance & not accuracy. In either case you would be wrong. There are accurate long distance muzzle-loading sniper rifles & even the average rifle is very accurate.
Keith.

[Keith]

I have done the buckskinning and reenacting thing here in the US for 50 years and I agree that if you want to attain a skill set beyond belief that is one way to go. What we did two or three weekends each month is now considered extreme survival training.

Add to that the tasks of making ones gear, clothing, edged tools and some of us building our own firearms and it became a life changing experience.

However, there is a reason all of that gear is considered obsolete. That is because it is obsolete. Knowing how to use such technology is great but depending on it as first line gear is not the best direction for training or funds expenditure.

BTW, I have already lived twice the years of life expectancy one had when using that technology. It is not "better" that what we have today. The number of people that froze, starved and died of deficiency diseases and things we cure with OTC meds made old men and women strange and respected individuals.

I don't think we are talking about modern medicine versus 18th century medical practices. And we are not talking modern military gear with re-supply. I will go with 18th century gear & a modern medical kit any day over modern gadgets.
Keith.

[Keith]

Interesting Keith. Do you or have you ever used crossbows for hunting?

I did have the opportunity to use one many years ago LAC, but only on targets, not for hunting. I would certainly not dismiss its use for hunting in a survival situation, though I would prefer to use a traditional self bow.
Keith.

[harrypalmer]

"Either you have not used a muzzle-loading gun Harry or what you mean is longer distance & not accuracy. In either case you would be wrong. There are accurate long distance muzzle-loading sniper rifles & even the average rifle is very accurate.
Keith. "

You'd be surprised at the range of weapons I've fired both during my Army career and with a very good friend who is 'well into' black powder/muzzle loading weapons (he uses modern rifles for hunting). The oldest rifle I have owned was an Enfield SMLE from WW1, I would say that was a lot more accurate than anything you use.