Can Europe survive on its own.

[Sunna]

Well it looking like America is wanting us ie European members of nato to look after ourselves defence wise .

I think this is bs from America it just wants us to spend more cash on arms and put plenty of it their way.
The last thing America wants is European nations banding together with out uncle sam Pulling the strings America fears a united European people knowing that it could eventually be everything the USA is now .

Personally I believe it will be good for us to stand alone with our brothers from Europe.

Any body out there...?

[bigpaul]

I think its time Europe looked out for itself, Uncle Sam cannot be there for ever, at some point it will have to pull in its horns and look after its own US people, looks like that is what Trump is doing.
I think the UK needs to put more money into our own defence and not rely on others, I dont trust the Europeans, History has shown them to be untrustworthy.

[Skean Dhude]

Mmmmm. 500 million Europeans wanting 300 million Merkins to save us from 100 million Russians who don't really want to fight us but won't put up with us fucking them around.

The West caused the invasion, the West kept the Ukrainians in the war they didn't want and the West still are pushing for more death. Europe, like the US, will fight to the last Ukrainian as well but won't risk it's pussified citizens against the Russians.

[bigpaul]

I think that is unfair SD, maybe the Russians had reasons for their actions but a full scale invasion cannot be allowed to go unpunished, the Ukrainians didnt have the capability to fight the might of the Russian army , if we had not helped sure Ukraine would have fallen fairly quickly but as we know Putin has ambitions to resurrect the old Soviet Union and would not have stopped with just Ukraine, he has already threatened the Balkan States.