Are the sheeple starting to wake up?

[Barneyboy]

(4 September 2012, 14:06)NorthernRaider Wrote: You work, you get paid andf apart from a very basic tax to pay for essentials like cops, fire fighters, medics, binmen etc the rest of your money should be in YOUR pocket, not in the chancellors. YOU should be able to decide what YOU spend YOUR money on, Not a government taking it and giving it to chavs, building nukes or giving to foreign aid schemes. YOU should have YOUR money to decide on what services YOU want not giving it to a council to blow on Libraries, Meals on wheels, ring and rides, Sure start centers, gay and Lesbian drop in centres, Asylum seker support programs, meals on wheals, creches, sports facilities, swimming pools etc.

The money should aLWAYS be in your pocket and not the councils or the gummints. If the disabled want acess to a building or modifications to their home then fine, pay for it themselves and there is no problem. but taking the money from my pocket and ergo the food from my kids mouths to piss away on social welfare scvhemes is immoral and wrong.

I note also all these "Socialists" who spent years condemning those who get wealthy suddenly go very quiet themselves when they get rich, Dianne Abbot, Tony Blair, most trade union leaders, Peter Mandelson, all the lefty activists etc.

Your earning and your wealth belong in only one place, Your pocket.

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(4 September 2012, 14:06)Barneyboy Wrote: NR really pal so every one on the dole is scum and not you prob how many MPs come from very rich familys they run the country pal you say you are not rich do you really think they will be the one to look after you when the time comes dude

EXACTLY WHERE and I mean fucking EXACTLY where have I said benefits claimants are SCUM ?

FYI it may come as a suprise but I dont ask ANYONE to look after me, I'm a survivalist, I care only for those who believe in the smallest form of government and the tiniest welfare system, I dont ask ANYONE to look after me I look after myself. I have no time for Socialists or tories but I admire people with enough get up and go to gfet rich, and I dont care for people who think they have the right to live off other peoples taxes.

NR well you dont come across very caring mate you have not said the word scum but NR mate in so many words

[bigpaul]

before the welfare act(1948) when people were unemployed they had NO income and they STARVED, do we really want to abolish benefit and go back to living like that??? we will NEVER EVER have 100% employment so some people are always going to be unemployed. it dosent matter what job or career someone has, we never know what the future will bring, unemployment, sickness, disability it could and often does happen. I could be knocked down by a car tomorrow and be crippled for life.

[NorthernRaider]

(4 September 2012, 14:16)Barneyboy Wrote: so wot do you suggest we do with the poor and ill NR when the shtf its every man for them selfs i agree but until then we cant yust let them die mate think of the crime rate going up

OK you tell me now what we are going to do to feed the millions of fellow European EU members from Greece, Portugal, Spain, and Eastern Europe who are having to abandon their children on the streets cos they cannot afford them?
NO Ok well what about the thousands of Brits totally reliant on foodbanks for food are you going to give em your money and food?

The UK is in desperate need of over 300,000 family homes, tens of thousands are living in hostels are you going to let some move into your home?

I dont give a toss about the poor, disabled, infirm or elderly in the UK unles they are part of the prepper community, The sheeple made their beds and they can lie in it.
I would like to point out that the welfare state has existed since 1948 and every year it costs us more and more and yet the poor get poorer still, go figure.

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(4 September 2012, 14:19)Barneyboy Wrote: NR well you dont come across very caring mate you have not said the word scum but NR mate in so many words

Mon Ami I'm unemployed, I'm also nigh on crippled but I do not claim benefits because its morally repugnant for me to do so, We saved when times were good and put money aside and became preppers, We have been married 35 years and have been on holiday TWICE, our honey and a few months in the US in 94. Free money when we have it gets set aside or spent on preps, skills etc. I spend much free time doing youth work encouraging youngsters to rise up and get away from the NE and its working class mentality, I tell the young that they are as good as anyone else BUT if they want to be rich, powerful and successful they have to go out and grab it for themselves cos the socialist doctrine may keep them alive but they wont be LIVING just existing.

[Barneyboy]

(4 September 2012, 14:23)NorthernRaider Wrote:

(4 September 2012, 14:16)Barneyboy Wrote: so wot do you suggest we do with the poor and ill NR when the shtf its every man for them selfs i agree but until then we cant yust let them die mate think of the crime rate going up

OK you tell me now what we are going to do to feed the millions of fellow European EU members from Greece, Portugal, Spain, and Eastern Europe who are having to abandon their children on the streets cos they cannot afford them?
NO Ok well what about the thousands of Brits totally reliant on foodbanks for food are you going to give em your money and food?

The UK is in desperate need of over 300,000 family homes, tens of thousands are living in hostels are you going to let some move into your home?

I dont give a toss about the poor, disabled, infirm or elderly in the UK unles they are part of the prepper community, The sheeple made their beds and they can lie in it.
I would like to point out that the welfare state has existed since 1948 and every year it costs us more and more and yet the poor get poorer still, go figure.

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(4 September 2012, 14:19)Barneyboy Wrote: NR well you dont come across very caring mate you have not said the word scum but NR mate in so many words

Mon Ami I'm unemployed, I'm also nigh on crippled but I do not claim benefits because its morally repugnant for me to do so, We saved when times were good and put money aside and became preppers, We have been married 35 years and have been on holiday TWICE, our honey and a few months in the US in 94. Free money when we have it gets set aside or spent on preps, skills etc. I spend much free time doing youth work encouraging youngsters to rise up and get away from the NE and its working class mentality, I tell the young that they are as good as anyone else BUT if they want to be rich, powerful and successful they have to go out and grab it for themselves cos the socialist doctrine may keep them alive but they wont be LIVING just existing.

NR mate thats why you pay tax mate to help when you need it pal it dont make you a bad person its there to help you bloody payed for it

[00111001]

Two things are certain in life. Tax & Death.

Actually, that should be 3 - arguments about tax.

[NorthernRaider]

(4 September 2012, 14:20)bigpaul Wrote: before the welfare act(1948) when people were unemployed they had NO income and they STARVED, do we really want to abolish benefit and go back to living like that??? we will NEVER EVER have 100% employment so some people are always going to be unemployed. it dosent matter what job or career someone has, we never know what the future will bring, unemployment, sickness, disability it could and often does happen. I could be knocked down by a car tomorrow and be crippled for life.

Unemployment is only ever going to increase massively as immigration especially of the lower skilled continues, the population rises, technology and automation increases, as it is we already have a situation in the Uk where some 22 million workers are having to keep the other 43 million people. And as each year goes by the numbers of tax paying workers declines and the numbers of claimants rises. Today the average worker sees his pay taxed at 40%, his NI bill is 14 %, anything he buys has 20% VAT on it. In 20 years time just to maintain todays levels of public spending on welfare , pensions etc income tax will need to be 60% , VAT 30% who can afford that? Who is looking forward to the £15 a gallong for petrol with 80% of that being tax?

Paul look at the news TAX Payers are now joining the quesues at foodbanks, The system is broke and sooner or later its all going to collapse as the govt runs out of money.

[Barneyboy]

(4 September 2012, 14:32)00111001 Wrote: Two things are certain in life. Tax & Death.

Actually, that should be 3 - arguments about tax.

isnt that the truth pal

[NorthernRaider]

(4 September 2012, 14:31)Barneyboy Wrote: NR mate thats why you pay tax mate to help when you need it pal it dont make you a bad person its there to help you bloody payed for it

I pay taxes for cops, street lights, bin men, roads, etc I wont claim benefits because its repugnant to me, I dont mind like most people paying for essential services, Fire Police Ambulance etc, I wont be a hypocrit by condemning the welfare system that is destroying the UK and claiming myself.

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Some of you good folks have certainly managed to raise my eyebrows this morning and I have learned much from this wondeffully mature debate, I appreciate that and I thank you all.

[Paul]

(4 September 2012, 12:59)Barneyboy Wrote: it not the people on the dole NR it the tax dodges and the fucking banks and super rich mate dont be fooled by the bullshit that they put on the tv own by the rich look it up mate the money the dole cost is fuck all compared to the money the ptb milk off pal

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the nazis done the same thing with the jews to unite a divided country common hatedred to the weak you see it on the tv atos are treating the ill like shit(NOT IN MY NAME) MPs doing fuck all about it and blaming it all on the job less. fuck me NR

A life and history lesson well stated Barneyboy.
With the media stirring up status and social hatred with the full approval of TPTB, then hammering the old, sick, disabled, and poor to shite (which incidentally includes me) I'm reading this thread with a lot of anger.

[NorthernRaider]

Lesson one is I dont think I should plan on cooperating in combined retreats or shelters or BOLs with any of you dudes because it looks like many of you would not be able to turn starving displaced sheeple away when TSHTF ( which is now BTW) My caches , stockpiles etc are solely for the use of preppers and their families, no outsiders, no sheeple, etc.

Lesson two I suspect some of you could be preppers hoping you can find someone elses supplies and resources you can call upon.

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(4 September 2012, 14:41)Paul Wrote: A life and history lesson well stated Barneyboy.
With the media stirring up status and social hatred with the full approval of TPTB, then hammering the old, sick, disabled, and poor to shite (which incidentally includes me) I'm reading this thread with a lot of anger.

It includes me as well cos I'm not earning, but it doesnt bother me.

Nazi death tally approx 22 million lives of jews, mentally handicapped, Gypseys, and nomadic slavs.

Socialists death tally is currently over 140 million, Jews, Serbs, Christians, Orthdox, capitalists, dissenters, poles, czechs, chinese peasants, 600,000 iraq civilians etc etc plus of course anyone who disagreed with em.

I have never ever been able to find one person who can tell me why a chap who works hard, earns money that he needs to raise and care for his own family, should be content to see nearly half of it be taken off him and given to someone else they donty know are not related to etc simply because they are old, infirm unemployed etc.

In nature one creature that lives off the back of another is classed as a parasite and condemned, but when its British humans its called socialism instead of partasitism.

If you want a fair welfare state then you must allow people to join it voluntarily if they want, and respect those who do not want to be part of it providing of course they do not ask for acess to it either.