First Aid Course Experience

[Grumpy Grandpa]

(8 June 2013, 09:43)River Song Wrote: Having said that I don't think we are going to need to do massive invasive surgery. Nah sorry - I think they are going to die.

I don't know about you RS but I don't plan to just let someone I love die without doing everything in my power to prevent it. In a very short time, I've gathered a host of how-to's and I'm steadily trying to absorb them.

You gave me a helluva laugh with the trachy thing - that must have been a real picture!! Thanks!

[Skean Dhude]

I'm not a doctor I've done the normal first aid until a real paramedic arrives but I have a ton of books and I would try anything to save someone after an event with no responders available.

[River Song]

Of course we will try but I think we need to be a little realistic. I will certainly get out my ditch medicine manual or Nato Battlefield manual but without anasthetic or antibiotics what are the chances? 10%? yeah we have to take that chance but as I say, lets be a little reaslistic

[Skean Dhude]

River,

I don't understand. WHo isn't being realistic.

We accept we are not doctors but are willing to try to save our loved ones. I have a lot of specialist kit that I will let a doctor use but if there is not one available I'll have a go myself.

Sure the chances are lower but in those circumstances even a doctors success rate will plummet.

[River Song]

Point Taken.

If there is no Doctor and you do nothing it might be 100% certain they will die.
If you then start cutting and doing the necessary it might be that 95% certain they will die.

So we do it for the 5%

Point taken

X

[bigpaul]

(11 June 2013, 13:10)River Song Wrote: Point Taken.

If there is no Doctor and you do nothing it might be 100% certain they will die.
If you then start cutting and doing the necessary it might be that 95% certain they will die.

So we do it for the 5%

Point taken

X

if I start cutting and hacking, more like 105% certain

[Jonas]

Riversong, I got on Ebay last month and replaced my old blood pressure cuff and stethoscope (both 35 years old) and added a pulse/oxygen saturation monitor and a new canvas bag. Now I'm stocking the bag with supplies from my hoard... flashlight, batteries, triangular bandages and safety pins, oropharyngeal airways, pressure bandages, Traumadex, Quick-Clot, Telfa sheets, Ace bandages, "head-roll", 4" adhesive tape, a few select medications, etc. The new bag is still a work in progress.

[Grumpy Grandpa]

(11 June 2013, 16:02)Jonas Wrote: Riversong, I got on Ebay last month and replaced my old blood pressure cuff and stethoscope (both 35 years old) and added a pulse/oxygen saturation monitor and a new canvas bag. Now I'm stocking the bag with supplies from my hoard... flashlight, batteries, triangular bandages and safety pins, oropharyngeal airways, pressure bandages, Traumadex, Quick-Clot, Telfa sheets, Ace bandages, "head-roll", 4" adhesive tape, a few select medications, etc. The new bag is still a work in progress.

J, I seem to remember you saying somewhere that Quick-Clot had to be surgically removed and that Celox was the way to go?

[River Song]

(11 June 2013, 17:06)Grumpy Grandpa Wrote: J, I seem to remember you saying somewhere that Quick-Clot had to be surgically removed and that Celox was the way to go?

No - not quote.

Both Quick Clot and Celox come as granules and as impregnated bandage bads/strips. The granules are a pain in the a... but in a battlefield situation they can be poured in the wound. The pads are easier to operate. Quick Clot and Celox both have different chemical properties. IMHO Celox is better - nit cheap but one or two in your kit are useful

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... quite ...

... not cheap...

ahh these arthritic fingers

[Jonas]

(11 June 2013, 17:36)River Song Wrote: No - not quote.

Both Quick Clot and Celox come as granules and as impregnated bandage bads/strips. The granules are a pain in the a... but in a battlefield situation they can be poured in the wound. The pads are easier to operate. Quick Clot and Celox both have different chemical properties. IMHO Celox is better - nit cheap but one or two in your kit are useful

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... quite ...

... not cheap...

ahh these arthritic fingers

I agree, but I have Quick-Clot and Traumadex on hand... What's the old saying? "Use it up. Wear it out. Make it do. Do without."

I still don't want to be the lucky soul sitting in a makeshift ER with a pair of forceps picking the Quick-Clot out of a wound one piece at a time though. If God had wanted me to be a surgeon he wouldn't have made me a paramedic!