Surviving? Is it worth it.

[River Song]

Pre WROL - - I may get involved - depends on the situation.

Post WROL -- I understand all the arguments about ones own safety and family etc.
But frankly if you don't get involved you are no better IMHO than the looters and muggers out there.

[Jonas]

I'd probably get involved, but I have a good supply of ammunition too, so a couple of rounds would be no big deal!

[bigpaul]

(21 August 2013, 18:24)River Song Wrote: Pre WROL - - I may get involved - depends on the situation.

Post WROL -- I understand all the arguments about ones own safety and family etc.
But frankly if you don't get involved you are no better IMHO than the looters and muggers out there.

you are putting pre shtf morals and ethics on a post shtf scenario when wrol will apply, who knows what will happen? erring on the side of caution will be the only safe thing to do. besides what I do to ensure me and mine's safety is nobodys business but mine own. if people dont like what I do they can pass by on the other side like all the other moralist people who wont survive if they don't secure their own safety first and start charging in blindly like the 7th cavalry-remember what happened to them?

[River Song]

(21 August 2013, 19:37)bigpaul Wrote: you are putting pre shtf morals and ethics on a post shtf scenario when wrol will apply, who knows what will happen? erring on the side of caution will be the only safe thing to do.

That kind of argument i.e. 'situation ethics' has what's got us into this mess. Ethics are ethics and whats right and wrong does not depend upon circumstances. I will argue that they are firm and fixed

Quote:besides what I do to ensure me and mine's safety is nobodys business but mine own.

Yes it is. whether you like it or not you do have responsibilities to the rest of society.

Quote:if people dont like what I do they can pass by on the other side....

... but I won't. I would still use my last bandage for you..... and give you my last Rolo

Quote: like all the other moralist people who wont survive if they don't secure their own safety first and start charging in blindly like the 7th cavalry-remember what happened to them?

They may lost the battle but they didn't lose the war. Civilisation will return and ROL will return as well even if it means hunting down malcontents


:-)


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[MaryN]

It is obviously going to depend to a certain extent on the circumstances, but my gut reaction would be to try and help. Since I would not be floating around in such circumstances on my own and unarmed, I would hope that I (and escort)would be able to make a difference to a tragic situation. Couldn't live with myself if it was a genuine emergency and I turned away - what if children were involved??

[Highlander]

I would lean towards helping,.. but I think my head is screwed on securely enough to weigh up the risks, and strong enough to walk away if I see something I do not like the look of

If I decide I want to help, I will be very sure that I can win,... if not I walk away

Its possible that I could gain a very valuable new member to the group, but as said before it could be a trap,.. even if I helped and won, he or she would not be trusted, and if I belonged to a group, then it would be a group decision what happens next

To walk away,... without the slightest thought to someone in distress, is making us as bad as the people committing the crime

[Barneyboy]

for me it would be me and mine ,every one else is on there own. the rules stop we all must adapt or die with the rest

[Steve]

Walking on by is easy, living with yourself afterwards would be hard, but I think we all have enough sense to weigh up the situation pretty quickly. You can pile in and get yourself killed, the girl still gets raped and possibly killed and your family become the next victims.

[Skean Dhude]

Regardless of who will do what. People will survive. Our species will go on and eventually society will start trading and laws made just like in the 1800s. That is the whole point. Just because someone won't help someone else doesn't make them less deserving of survival. In fact nature makes it more likely they will.

[bigpaul]

(21 August 2013, 20:09)River Song Wrote:

(21 August 2013, 19:37)bigpaul Wrote: you are putting pre shtf morals and ethics on a post shtf scenario when wrol will apply, who knows what will happen? erring on the side of caution will be the only safe thing to do.

That kind of argument i.e. 'situation ethics' has what's got us into this mess. Ethics are ethics and whats right and wrong does not depend upon circumstances. I will argue that they are firm and fixed

Quote:besides what I do to ensure me and mine's safety is nobodys business but mine own.

Yes it is. whether you like it or not you do have responsibilities to the rest of society.

Quote:if people dont like what I do they can pass by on the other side....

... but I won't. I would still use my last bandage for you..... and give you my last Rolo

Quote: like all the other moralist people who wont survive if they don't secure their own safety first and start charging in blindly like the 7th cavalry-remember what happened to them?

They may lost the battle but they didn't lose the war. Civilisation will return and ROL will return as well even if it means hunting down malcontents


:-)

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what a load of codswallop, I am NOT responsible for the rest of society, and post shtf they can all go hang, my responsibility/my duty is to my family and no one else.