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PMR446 v Walkie Talkies
8 January 2016, 15:09,
#1
PMR446 v Walkie Talkies
I'm one of the many who are baffled, yet fascinated by all of the threads on radio communications. So far I have my trusted CB which I know and understand and use on a regular basis, but that is vehicle mounted and may not always be to hand when needed.

I therefore keep reading the various threads about the UV5/Ham/Pixie radios etc etc but never quite progress things any further.

But I was intrigued by the following comment made by LS which I have extracted and copied below, to avoid hijacking the Pixie Radio thread:

"...generally speaking, for a handheld walkie-talkie radios do not expect more than 3 to 5 miles range, and in the case of license free PMR446 radios expect the range to be from hundreds of meters to a maximum of 3 miles. The reason is that this sort of radio generally operate on frequencies that almost only travel as far as you can see ( literally, if you can see it your signal can reach it) and when the transmitted radio waves reach the horizon the carry straight out of our atmosphere into space..."

Given the above, why would any of us bother with the PMR446/UV5's ???

Surely decent Walkie Talkies such as the recently discussed BF-888's are therefore all we need as they are portable; "easy" to use (don't need programming), cheaper, reliable and have as good if not better range than other (non-ham) portable hand held radios.

Plus you can have a normal spoken conversation and do not need to know morse code or start stringing lengths of copper wire antennae up the side of your drain pipes etc...

Or am I missing something???
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8 January 2016, 15:57,
#2
RE: PMR446 v Walkie Talkies
You are not the only one that gets confused over comms.

The fact of the matter is that there are so many requirements and no single device will do them all so you have to work out what you want and then find out what can do each part.

I did an article on this somewhere where I explained what I wanted my comms to do and I needed a bit of everything. Not cheap at the top end.
Skean Dhude
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It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change. - Charles Darwin
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8 January 2016, 18:40,
#3
RE: PMR446 v Walkie Talkies
We only covered this a short while back in depth didnt we??

Walking talkies according to our sage LS are of .5 watt power and have fixed rubber duck antenna, the lesson he taught me was its not more power that is needed, though it does not go amiss, but the best possible antenna is the way to get the best performance. In the UK Walkie Talkies are normally tuned to PMR 446 channels 1 to 8 @.5 watt

Walkie Talkies come with comprimise rubber duck antenna and this according to LS is what limits its capabilities, plus the limited channels could be an issue.

UV5Rs have 70cm and 11 Meg frequencies PLUS the PMR 446 channels, you can SELECT .5 of a watt output OR 5 watt output to suit your needs, BUT more importantly the antennas can be quickly swapped out from the little rubber duck antenna and a much better antenna fitted for under £12 thus can greatly boost your range.

Its also easily reprogrammable using CHIRP if you want different frequencies, I for example do not have a ham licence nor do I want one so I deleted the ham frequencies from the UV5 and just put in the 16 PMR & DPMR channels This for me gives me almost private radio use as I have not heard anyone else around here in over a year except on Ch1 and thats the Quarry truck drivers.

I think you can also add MARINE channels among others to UV5R.

So if you just want simple room to room CQ comms get a pair of cheap walkie talkies, but if you want or have a ham licence or want to reach out to others AFTER TSHTF you may find the multi talented UV5Rs are best suited to your needs.

FYI UV5Rs also have an FM radio receiver built in 88 to 108FM and a torch and can be fitted with various accessories like expended battery packs, better antenna, speaker microphones etc

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9 January 2016, 01:48,
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RE: PMR446 v Walkie Talkies
(8 January 2016, 18:40)NorthernRaider Wrote: We only covered this a short while back in depth didnt we??

Walking talkies according to our sage LS are of .5 watt power and have fixed rubber duck antenna, the lesson he taught me was its not more power that is needed, though it does not go amiss, but the best possible antenna is the way to get the best performance. In the UK Walkie Talkies are normally tuned to PMR 446 channels 1 to 8 @.5 watt

Walkie Talkies come with comprimise rubber duck antenna and this according to LS is what limits its capabilities, plus the limited channels could be an issue.

UV5Rs have 70cm and 11 Meg frequencies PLUS the PMR 446 channels, you can SELECT .5 of a watt output OR 5 watt output to suit your needs, BUT more importantly the antennas can be quickly swapped out from the little rubber duck antenna and a much better antenna fitted for under £12 thus can greatly boost your range.

Its also easily reprogrammable using CHIRP if you want different frequencies, I for example do not have a ham licence nor do I want one so I deleted the ham frequencies from the UV5 and just put in the 16 PMR & DPMR channels This for me gives me almost private radio use as I have not heard anyone else around here in over a year except on Ch1 and thats the Quarry truck drivers.

I think you can also add MARINE channels among others to UV5R.

So if you just want simple room to room CQ comms get a pair of cheap walkie talkies, but if you want or have a ham licence or want to reach out to others AFTER TSHTF you may find the multi talented UV5Rs are best suited to your needs.

FYI UV5Rs also have an FM radio receiver built in 88 to 108FM and a torch and can be fitted with various accessories like expended battery packs, better antenna, speaker microphones etc

But the point of this thread was that LS was suggesting:

"..handheld walkie-talkie radios do not expect more than 3 to 5 miles range, and in the case of license free PMR446 radios expect the range to be from hundreds of meters to a maximum of 3 miles.."

If correct, this suggests (to me) that for radio communications within a small group, walkie talkies are superior...unless again I am missing something...?
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9 January 2016, 09:08,
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RE: PMR446 v Walkie Talkies
(9 January 2016, 01:48)Devonian Wrote: If correct, this suggests (to me) that for radio communications within a small group, walkie talkies are superior

If, by "walkie talkie" you mean the UV5R or similar, then you are correct. The Baofengs are far superior to the UK licence-free 446 radios unless you need very short range comms, in which case the fool-proof child-friendly simplicity of the 446 sets is useful.
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9 January 2016, 10:17,
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RE: PMR446 v Walkie Talkies
Steve is right Dev, By Walie Talkie I think you are refering to the el cheapo Argos little pairs of radios and LS is talking about the more professional stuff like the MT50-50 which costs about £80 EACH. The Baofeng UV5s will hands down on all points.

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9 January 2016, 10:22,
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RE: PMR446 v Walkie Talkies
Perhaps one of the mods could repost LS's Guide to radio comms again here please.

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9 January 2016, 10:24,
#8
RE: PMR446 v Walkie Talkies
It's on the main site.
Skean Dhude
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It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change. - Charles Darwin
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9 January 2016, 10:28,
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RE: PMR446 v Walkie Talkies
Bunch of lazy sods Smile

Thoughts on Survival Radio - 6th January 2012
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Thoughts on Survival Radio
by LightSpeed - 6th January 2012
http://survivaluk.net/2012/01/06/thought...val-radio/
Two-way radio should not be overlooked by preppers, this article is written to assist preppers in making radio equipment
choices, and it is written on the premise of a post major event scenario in which all mains power utilities are permanently
down.
Without mains power it is likely that there will also be no television, no telephone, no mobile phone, no internet, no radio
repeaters etc. Radio will be the critical communications tool for monitoring the outside environment, communication with
other survivors, and maybe for summoning help.
The author’s personal plan is to assemble a station that will allow discreet communication, locally, nationally and globally.
The installation is required to be VERY covert so as to draw absolutely no attention to the station either pre or post event. The
station is planned to be operational over a long time period (say 10 years), to be powered by simple power generation methods,
and where possible be user serviceable using low(ish) tech solutions.
The manner of description of various issues has been very much simplified to aid comprehension of non specialist readers.
This is particularly true in the section on Propagation and antennas. For anyone particularly interested in this subject there are
many published articles that can be followed up.
1. Power supply considerations
Other than cats whisker crystal radios, all of the devices discussed in this article need electrical power. The most readily
available power to survivors is likely to be 12v and solar rechargeable 1.2v dry cells. Additionally 12v to 5.2v USB car
adaptors are now readily available at low cost. Recharging of these power supplies can be through mechanical generation of
12v and 5.2v by dynamo / alternators, or by solar cells. (for example, I have successfully run long term tests of solar
recharging of AA cells using a bank of solar garden light heads. The recharged batteries have kept a very modest radio station
running 24/7 for a whole year)
2. Basic specification of survival radios:
2.1 Low power consumption
Power will be a precious resource, which we will need to use carefully. Because of the power supply issues discussed above
we should be looking for radios that have just enough power to make communication possible.
OK, so how shall we define low power? Well, radios with power output of 0.5w (watts) to 10w are completely capable of
delivering reliable local and as well as global communications. (Radio amateurs refer to this as QRP power). It is logical to
assume that low transmit power radios draw proportionately less power than high power transmitters. This is largely true, but
not always so. (see section 8 Equipment Review)
Post-event, the number of privately held radio stations operating at high power will be extremely limited. This will have the
effect of making low power radio stations even more effective as radio generated interference levels will also drop, allowing
weak signals to be heard over greater distances.
Another aspect of using an appropriately small level of power is that it is more discreet, so attracting less unwanted attention
from folk who may not have your best interests in mind when they hear your transmissions.
2.2 Robust
The operating conditions for survivalist radio equipment can be expected to be poor. Only robust equipment, or equipment
who’s durability can be improved is likely to remain in service for long. As radios are sensitive (literally) electronic devices
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their biggest susceptibility is to getting wet. We need to purchase waterproof gear, or more economically, find ways to keep
our gear in water-proof containers.
Again, power supply is going to be critical to long term viability of your equipment: The latest Lithium cell powered devices
are going to be fine for a number of years operations (provided you can charge the batteries which are usually 7.2v) Best is to
find devices that can be alternatively powered directly by a 12v supply, or by dry cells (AA, AAA etc)
2.3 Repairability
If long term usage is planned, it is a good idea to select equipment that is both repairable and within your competence to repair.
Repairs to commercially manufactured equipment will be outside of the capability of most people. Transceivers with ultimate
repairability are likely to be Amateur radio kits. However, a word of caution, by their very nature, such radios are inherently
less reliable than most commercial units so require more running repairs.
2.4 Appropriate frequency ranges
It is important that the radios we acquire operate at frequencies that are either:-
in wide usage (to contact other survivors)
Broadcast FM receive bands for local Government Broadcasting
Broadcast AM receive bands for National Government Broadcasting
Broadcast LW receive bands for national and European Gov Broadcasting
Shortwave AM receive bands for worldwide Governmental Broadcasting
Shortwave Amateur Radio Bands
VHF / UHF FM Local Amateur Radio
High Frequency (HF) SSB and CW ( Single Side Band and Morse Code) Global amateur radio
or in restricted usage (for more covert group communications)
2.5 Availability:
We need to consider which users and equipment is most active and readily available pre-event as these will probably most
prevalent after event as well. Standard radio receivers to pick up commercial and national broadcast stations: FM, MW
(Medium Wave), LW (Long Wave) and SW (Short Wave) Available everywhere at very low prices. For local communications
PMR446 family hand held walkie-talkie radios are the most prevalent radio transmitters in the UK today. Think about it:
Probably most families with children will have several these radios in one form or another. All of these radios are simple to
operate, somewhat child-proof and therefore robust, and they also conform to a very tight standard in terms of channel
frequencies. They are not very repairable, but can be readily replaced.
Amateur Radio: Generally good quality and reliability, but complexity can be difficult to master without prior operating
experience. Amateur radios can be a good choice, but remember most will be locked to frequencies allocated to amateur use. It
is legal to own this type of radio, and indeed to use it as a receiver, but to transmit a license is required. (see Getting and
Amateur radio License) Be warned that at the current time the amateur radio frequencies are policed and pirate stations are still
tracked down and prosecuted in law.
CB Radio: Rather gone out of fashion in the UK, but radios are still available on e-bay at very low prices. Probably good only
for pre-organised group local communications. Post event it is assumed that some dormant radios will be come back onto air,
but there is no way of assessing what numbers are likely to be.
Marine VHF radios: Again, legal to own, but transmission not legal without a license. Restricted to marine band, which
includes Coastguard, air-sea-rescue and Mountain search and rescue. Often bullet proof waterproof construction. If you live
near to the sea, or better still a marina or even navigable rivers, there may be useful numbers of transceivers in place.
3. Understanding Propagation
Propagation is the technical term to describe how radio signals are radiated over various distances. Propagation is of great
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interest to us as it tells us what is possible, what is not possible with various pieces of equipment at various times.
3.1 A little science needs to be understood to make sense of propagation:
Radio waves are the lowest frequency section of the electro-magnetic radiation spectrum that includes infra-red, visible light,
ultra-violet and x-Rays. Like visible light, radio waves generally travel in straight lines, and identically to light they travel at
approximately 300,000km per second (186,000 miles per second in old money) in vacuum. From a point source (an antenna)
radio waves will radiate in hemispherical pattern, much like half of a soap bubble. Using the same analogy, the bigger the
bubble gets the weaker the signal that will be heard, a bit like the thickness of the wall of the bubble getting thinner and thinner
as it expands. Like light radio waves will travel to infinity in a straight line. For example NASA’s communications with the
voyager space probe used just a few watts of power to communicate half way across our solar system.
The concept of radio waves travelling is a straight line is important. Another way to look at it is that radio waves will only ever
travel as far as Line-Of-Sight unless reflected, refracted or re-transmitted. Over the sea, line of sight is approximately 20 Km
/12 miles. (see KD4SAI's VHF/UHF Line of Sight Calculator) But this is far less than the distance we know radio waves can
travel, how can radio waves overcome the “line of sight” statement made earlier? Well the most simple way is the elevate the
antenna: The higher it is the greater its line of sight. This is why mobile phone masts are located on hill tops, church towers
and tall masts. At certain radio frequencies / wavelengths, radio waves are reflected and refracted by the upper layers of our
atmosphere that get ionized by sunlight. These layers are like the layers of skin on an onion and are called the ionosphere.
They exist at altitudes of between 85 and 250 Km. Radio waves hitting the layers of the ionosphere at critical angles and at
critical radio frequencies / wavelengths, are reflected / refracted off and between the various ionized layers. In effect the
ionosphere is a giant spherical mirror 100s of km above the earth that reflects certain radio frequencies (but not all) back to
earth a great deal further than terrestrial line of sight.
The word critical has been used several times here. When light is separated by a prism into spectral colours the angle at which
the incident light beam make with the glass prism is critical in determining if the light gets transmitted straight through the
glass, reflected off its surface, or refracted within the prism. So it is with radio waves, other than at the critical angle the radio
wave will pass straight through the ionosphere and out into space. Things are made more complicated as different radio
frequencies have different critical angles, and the various reflective layers change in altitude and intensity throughout the solar
day/night cycle. What is more some radio frequencies are not reflected by the Ionosphere at all. Frequencies in the VHF and
UHF region are never reflected. This means that they are only suitable for line of sight communications. If you live on a
mountain top this may mean 100Km or so, but generally it should be expected to get no more than 20km in ideal conditions.
Ideal conditions get compromised by foliage buildings and other physical obstructions between transmitter and receiver.
3.2 Time of Day
At the lower High Frequency end of the Short Wave band, the frequencies of approx 2MHz to 30Mhz will all be reflected and
refracted by the Ionosphere to a greater or lesser extent. Because of the variable critical angles and frequencies we can
generally view Ionospheric propagation divided into usable daytime and night time frequencies. Broadly speaking, frequencies
greater than 7Mhz will achieve longest propagation distances during daylight hours and frequencies below 7MHz will achieve
longest propagation distances at night. The converse is also true after nightfall frequencies above 7MHz become progressively
more line of sight, and after daybreak frequencies below 7MHz become progressively more line of sight (and the lower
frequencies are affected by high levels of noise as well)
Ionospheric propagation frequently supports multiple reflection within the ionosphere without too much signal absorption.
Under the right conditions trans global communications are possible at very low power. Communications between UK and
Australia using 0.5W is possible. Here is an actual communication between USA and Indonesia using just 5w. These
phenomena are possible only because of Ionospheric reflection.
3.3 Yearly and 11 year Cycle
The degree to which ionization takes place to the various layers of the ionosphere varies month to month and also within an 11
an (approx) 11 year cycle of solar sun-spot activity. Simply put, the higher the level of ionization the greater the efficiency of
the Ionospheric reflector. This is particularly true at the 27/28/29MHz end of the spectrum which is almost worthless for long
distance communication during low points in the 11 year cycle, but which becomes arguably the best long distance frequency
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at the high points of that cycle.
3.4 Dawn and Dusk
Dawn and dusk see some abnormal behavior of the Ionospheric reflector and sometimes offer conditions of enhanced long
distance propagation. Monitoring at this time of day will often yield radio signals from unusual parts of the globe.
3.5 Skip Zone and NVIS
We know that radio signals travel by line of sight (say 20Km) unless reflected or refracted. So when a signal is successfully
reflected from the ionosphere to a station say 1,500km away, what happens in the space between 20km and 1500Km? The
answer is that nothing is heard in this zone. The radio signal beam is overhead at this time and cannot be detected at ground
level. This is called the skip zone or Dead zone. This creates a dilemma, how do we communicate with stations within the skip
zone, i.e. nationally, not internationally. Well the solution is to use an antenna technique developed for tactical military
purposes. It is called NVIS (Near Vertical Incident Skywave). NVIS offers propagation to stations between the limit of line of
sight and up to approx 1000Km.It is covered in the antenna section of this article (below)
3.6 Amateur Radio Repeaters
The purpose of Amateur repeaters is to extend the range of VHF and UHF communications by receiving signals on one
frequency and re-transmitting them on another. Repeater masts located at the edge of a stations line of sight, and ideally in an
elevated position will greatly extend the transmission range of the otherwise local only capability of this equipment. Indeed
some repeaters are internet enabled and permit trans-global communications using simple hand held transmitters. In this article
it is assumed that Amateur radio repeaters will be out of commission due to mains grid power failure, so will not be discussed
further here. Again, for anyone wishing to find out more information on this aspect of Radio technology, much information is
in the public domain on the www.
3.7 Propagation Conclusion (Applicable to transmission and reception)
Use frequencies below 7MHz for long range (DX) operating during hours of darkness.
Use frequencies above 7MHz for long range (DX) operating during daylight.
Use VHF and UHF frequencies for local communications day or night up to say 20Km.
For communications between 20Km and 1000Km NVIS antenna Techniques should be employed.
4. First seek to understand, then to be understood.
Recommendation is to firstly equip ourselves with a radio receives, so that we can listen for signs of activity in the surviving
world. Listening to other people’s radio communications will give us good intelligence on what is going on around us without
the need to leave our safe havens. It is very good practice to listen for an extended period in order to assess what is happening
in the outside world. Gradually patterns of operating behavior will emerge that we will be able to predict. We must not be
tempted into communication just for the sake of it. Listen first to see if predators are taking advantage of unwary stations in
order to raid their locations. Our primary advantage will be our pre-preparedness, we should not squander it by giving away
your location either directly or indirectly.
We should consider being able to monitor the following:
Broadcast bands: FM / AM / LW / SW
PMR446
Emergency services / Airband / Military (military comms will be scrambled)
Amateur Radio VHF / UHF (Local) and HF for world-wide transmissions
5. Transmitters and transceivers
5.1 Transmission Modes and efficiency
The method of encoding information into the transmitted signal is called the transmission Mode. The different modes available
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each have advantages and disadvantages from a quality: efficiency standpoint. By quality we mean the easiest to hear and
understand, by efficiency we mean the greatest distance per Watt of transmitted power that the message remains intelligible.
FM Frequency Modulation: Highest quality but lowest efficiency. Excellent for VHF and UHF line of sight
communications. Also used on UK legal CB frequencies to good effect. Very resistant to interference, and good
intelligibility.
AM Amplitude Modulation: Similar characteristics to FM, but more prone to interference. Very inefficient
power-wise. Largely unused these days by Amateurs, but still a major Broadcast format of course. Some illegal
US import and vintage CB radios are still operative in UK on AM.
SSB Single Side Band: The most efficient voice transmission mode. Comes in two flavours Upper Side Band (USB)
and Lower Side Band (LSB). Requires careful tuning of the receiver to render speech intelligible. Almost all long
range voice communications are made in SSB mode.
Note: accepted operating convention is that for frequencies above 10MHz USB is used, below 10MHz LSB is
used.
CW Continuous Wave ( Morse Code) Do not discount Morse code as outdated. It is by a very long way the most
efficient transmission and reception mode available to us. 1/2watt power output (same as PMR446) but on HF
bands regularly achieves trans global contacts on CW. In a survival communications scenario we will have time to
study and learn the Morse code. Transmission can be very slow and repetitive to get messages across.
Tip: Morse code and to a lesser extent SSB can be resolved even on low cost AM receivers. Often the Morse code
pulses can be heard as nulls in the background noise. Try placing a second receiver very close to and tuning it to a
our active receiver and tuning it to a similar frequency. Often interference from the second receiver can be used to
make the CW tone appear, likewise SSB can become more intelligible. A low cost BFO ( Beat Frequency
Oscillator) kit is available from Ten Tec to perform this upgrade function more reliably.
Digital
Modes
A highly efficient digital mode called PSK 31 has been developed by amateurs. It involves the use of computers to
generate automatic tone based keying of the transmitter. While very efficient transmission wise the fact that it
requires a computer to drive it and interpret incoming signals disqualifies it as a low energy consumption
communications method in this article.
5.2 Types of Transceiver;
5.2.1 PMR446
Not all PMR Radios are the same. USA import PMRs with extended range are being offered on e-bay at this time. They are
illegal to use in the UK and are not compatible with the European PMR446 standard so cannot inter communicate with them.
From a survivalist standpoint PMR446 is of interest primarily because of its high prevalence in the community. US PMR
radios are only of interest if you plan semi-private group networks, but better solutions are available using the low cost Chinese
hand helds described below and in section 8.
The ones we are interested in are of the PMR446 standard. These are all FM mode with 0.5w power output on 8 standard
frequency channels through a built in, non removable antenna. Expect transmit range to be 1Km or less and you won’t be
disappointed. In the open or in a good elevated location these radios will easily achieve the claimed 5Km range but such
conditions are not the norm.
Ignore claims of hundreds of Channels this refers to so-called privacy codes (see below)
Features to look for are CTCSS and DCS tones and scanning, plug in headset sockets and the ability to operate with security
codes off. (some early generation Motorolla radios do not have a no code facility)
Variable Squelch control is an asset. Squelch is a user tuneable noise threshold over which the receiver operates. It is designed
so that your do not have to listen for signals within static as this is fatiguing, when a signal stronger than the background static
is received, the receiver is opened up and the signal heard, otherwise the radio will be silent.
Radios that are sold with only AA or AAA dry cell / rechargeable cell capability are a better long term survivalist tool than
those sold with bespoke power packs. Check to ensure that there will also run OK on rechargables and standard dry cells
(different voltage therefore different amps to deliver the same output power.)
Radios with cases that can be unscrewed and dismantled are preferred, as, if you intend fitting an external antenna to improve
reception you’ll need to get into that case somehow. But note that this will technically render the radio illegal under today’s
legislation.
5.2.2 Hand Held Amateur VHF and UHF radios
1.0w to 5.0w capability FM radios with CTCSS and DCS capability
Range 3 to 10Km in normal condition, and up to full line of sight from open / elevated locations.
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100+ memory channels, usually nameable and in fast retrieve blocks make operation fast and simple.
Some new low cost variants are now available out of Asia that off wide band transmit and receive capability such that single
devices can now interact with Amateur VHF and UHF bands, Military Bands, PMR446 and Marine Band.
Marine band distress frequency as used by Coastguard, air sea rescue, mountain search and rescue.
5.2.2.1 Privacy codes and CTCSS / DCS tones
CTCSS and DCS tones appear on PMR446, CB and Amateur radios. They are all too often described a Privacy or secrecy
tones, when in reality they are no such thing. These tones are discreet audio and Digital tones generated in the transmitter with
are transmitted along with your voice signal. No encryption or secrecy coding is applied to the spoken message which can be
listened to by any receiver tuned to the correct channel frequency.
The purpose of the tone is to allow suitably equipped receivers to ONLY HEAR signals on the same frequency to which they
are tuned and also carrying the same discreetly injected tone (ie both transmitter and receiver must be set to the same
frequency/channel AND also set to the same CTCSS or DCS tone, otherwise nothing will be heard). The intention of the
technology is to enable concurrent multiple users of the same channel on PMR446 devices. It is only partially successful in this
respect.
NOTE: During the Olympics there should be a lot of PMR446 activity in London with friends and families using them as a low
cot way of keeping in touch. It will be interesting to monitor activity to see how well CTCSS and DCS systems work, also to
hear what the system sound like in conditions of possible overload.
Some older PMR radios ( Mororolla for example) can only operate with CTCSS tones activated, the description of PMR446
requirements above notes that tone scanning is desirable as persons using such equipment will not be able to hear signals from
you unless they carry the same discreet codes. Amateur radio has made most use of CTCSS coded as access codes to VHF and
UHF repeaters (see Propagation section)
Monitoring with codes OFF allows you to hear everything in your vicinity.
5.2.3 Amateur HF radio equipment
Amateur HF radio equipment comes in all sorts of shapes and sizes. In the low power, portable category evaluated in this
article the breadth of choice is somewhat reduced. There are both commercially constructed and kit type radios in this
category.
Additionally there is ex British military equipment available. The author recognizes that this equipment may be ideal for
survival communications, but has no experience of operating such equipment. Maybe someone with specialist knowledge can
offer advice or write a specific article on this?
Primary separator between commercial machines and kits is transmission modes. Kits tend to be Morse code only, whereas
commercial radios are voice and Morse code capable.
Commercial Manufacturers
Primary manufacturers are Yaesu, Icom, Kenwood and Alinco.
A lot of commercial transceivers are rated at 100w power output but gave variable power control, down to 5w. Read
specifications carefully before rejecting a radio as too powerful. In the review at the end of this article I have only included
radios capable of running at low power even if they are also capable of higher power output. Yaesu and Icom offer small form
radios (car radio size) that potentially fit all survival radio requirements into a single box. They are broadband receivers that
can tune the whole shortwave HF band, Air Band, Marine Band, VHF and UHF. They have sophisticated noise reduction
systems that aid reception of weak signals and are capable of transmitting in AM/FM/SSB/ CW and digital modes. Among
these, Yaesu’s FT817 is most recommended. Others from Yaesu are the FT857 and FT897 and from Icom the IC 706 and IC
7000.
Modern manufacturing processes are largely robotic, and components now used in construction of consumer electronics are
super small. Modern machines are very reliable, but fixing them when something goes wrong is a complex affair.
Commercial transceivers are in four formats:
Hand Held Self contained “walkie-talkies” for the VHF /UHF bands
Portable Self contained HF radio stations. Currently there are only three models in production. Yaesu’s FT817
(highly recommended) and the Albrecht AE 2990 10 meter hand-portable. Both offer Am /FM /SSB and
CW modes. And a soon to be launched Elecraft KX3 which promises to be an excellent product for HF
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operating.
The Yaesu and Albrect both operate from rechargeable internal batteries as well as 12v external supplies.
Mobiles Small form factor radios for use in motor vehicles these are all 12v supplied, and available for both HF and
VHF/UHF.
Desk top Large form factor radios designed to be used in fixed radio stations.
5.2.4 Kit Radios
HF radio kits are the prime interest here. VHF and UHF kits exist but they tend to cost very much more and have less features
than their commercially manufactured equivalents.
Compared to commercial radios kits are far simpler and less refined, but are still capable of intercontinental communications.
HF kit radios are a fraction of the cost of commercial equipment, and have two big advantages in survivalist term:
They are extremely power efficient, and often will run happily on voltages from 7v to 15v.
They are user repairable long into the future provided you also have spare parts in your provisions.
Many of these kits are quite simple to construct. If you have built Airfix model in the past, the construction of many of these
radios will be within your capability. Basic equipment you’ll need is solder, soldering iron, clippers, magnifying glass, and a
test meter.
Although primarily Morse code only devices, there are a couple of SSB capable kits available too. Critically these are designed
for the primary 7Mhz and 14Mhz frequency bands (see 6.7 below)
These radios can be constructed into very small containers, making them easy to store in waterproof boxes and thus strong
contenders for inclusion in bug out provisions.
Consider this: With home brewed minimal solar cell battery power it has been possible to keep a receiving/transmitting station
on line 24/7 for an entire 12 month period in southern England. There was no equipment failure whatsoever during the trial and
it was considered probable that this setup could remain in service for several years. Communications across mainland Europe
and also to a number of USA states were achieved during the trial period. Cost of the entire station was under £50.00.
Kit Radios in this category come in two power bands:
1/2Watt and belowLowest cost, Morse only. Require LOTS of time and Patience to achieve contacts. But they do work.
2w and above
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9 January 2016, 11:50, (This post was last modified: 9 January 2016, 11:54 by Lightspeed.)
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RE: PMR446 v Walkie Talkies
Hi Devonian

Paraphrasing your OP and answering subjectively

<<why would any of us bother with the PMR446/UV5's? Surely decent Walkie Talkies such as the recently discussed BF-888's are therefore all we need as they are portable; "easy" to use (don't need programming), cheaper, reliable and have as good if not better range than other (non-ham) portable hand held radios..>>

1. Why bother with PMRs?

Because they are license free and can be used legally in the here and now.

Because they are very simple and easy to operate

Because they are made to a strict standard and are pretty much guaranteed compatibility with one another. (PMR has just 8 channels and these are on fixed frequencies)

PMR Negatives

Low power and patch build quality mean that transmit range is not optimised

No facility for external antenna that would help in boosting range.

Fixed frequencies mean greater probability of eavesdropping by others

Relatively expensive for the performance they deliver.

Normally operating life on a full charge is quite limited, as is standby time in the order of 8 hours. Many discharge their power pack in a couple of weeks even when turned off.

Why bother with BF888 type radios?

Because they are very cost effective in terms of power and technical capability.
(Lower cost than PMRs but 4 to 6 times more powerful and twice as many channels)

Because they are very easy to operate ( easier than PMR in many respects)

Because with 16 programmable channels, and frequency coverage that includes the PMR frequencies, they can be programmed with the 8 PMR channels plus another 8 of our personal choosing

Because they have fairly rugged construction

Because it is possible to attach to external antennas to boost range

Because there is a fairly wide range of low cost accessories and upgrades ( power, antennas, hand-mikes etc)

Because standby time measured in days

Because in turned off state, there appears to be no residual current draw.

Because they have a handy torch and signalling flashlight included.

BF888Negatives

THESE RADIOS HAVE TO BE PROGRAMMED using a computer and data cable

These radios cannot be programmed stand alone

Wide frequency range. Pre-programmed frequencies on out of China models will get you into trouble with authorities very quickly if you start transmitting on them in the here and now. The snag is that the channels simply annunciate “ channel 1, Channel 2 etc, but do not detail the frequency)

These radios will not receive nor transmit on the maritime / mountain rescue emergency frequencies.

To transmit with these radios in the here and now a license is demanded, but it is entirely legal to use one to monitor (listen with).

Although cases and underlying chassis are rugged and there is no display screen to get broken, these radios are clearly built to a price. Connectors and switches used in their constriction appear to be very cheapskate. But so far nothing has failed on the single example that I own, so maybe they are stronger than I think.

Why bother with UV5r?

Because they have a huge frequency range which include all VHF and UHF ham bands, PMR frequencies, and marine/mountain rescue emergency frequencies

Because in terms of features, frequency range and build quality they are probably the best value for money that has ever been made available.

Because they have a scanner included

Because they can monitor two separate frequencies at the same time.

Because they are more powerful than BF888

Because they have a much larger capacity power pack than the BF888

Because they can be programmed on the unit itself in the field, but can be programmed and cloned (copying the exact configuration of programmed channel frequencies from one radio to another) using a computer and data cable.

Because they have 100 programmable memories ( channels)

Because they have a visual display

Because they have selectable voice annunciation of channels

Because they are quite robust

Because they have a handy torch and signalling flashlight included.

Because they have an FM broadcast receiver included.

Because there is the WIDEST range of accessories (Power, car kits, external antennas protective cases, hand mikes etc.)

Because standby time measured in days ( greater than BF888)

Because in turned off state, there appears to be no residual current draw.

UV5r Negatives
Complexity: The complexity of setting up these radios is considerable and requires time to understand, and patience to understand the less than complete Chinglish operating manual

Approx twice as expensive as BF888 type radios

There are many variants, with somewhat differing accessory types. Standardization is key to setting up a network of these radios

To transmit with these radios in the here and now a license is demanded, but it is entirely legal to use one to monitor (listen with).


Pixie Radios:
I’ll set up a separate thread to cover the whys and wherefores of the Pixie type radios.

My conclusion:
For me the best solution for a strictly local network (out to say 3-5 miles) would be UV5r radios used by the technically competent, with BF888 type radios going to less technically minded members who just need a simple means of staying in touch. The whole network being based on 16 standard frequencies.
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