But what of Social workers ?

[Reality Jones]

My experience of Social workers has been nothing but positive over the years, I have found them to be hard working and helpful

Lets not tar them all with the same brush, there are many many departments within social work, not just child care, which also includes adoptian and foster care but mental health, housing, the elderly, etc.etc.

Post SHTF I couldn't care less what people did for a living, are they usefull to me now? Will be my only question.

[bigpaul]

IMMEDIATELY after SHTF people wont interest me, i and mine will be too busy keeping a low profile and staying hidden, surviving the general mayhem and anarchy that will inevitably follow any kind of collapse. maybe 6 MONTHS later i may attempt some kind of loose contact, maybe some bartering or trading, but by then what job someone did before "the fall" will not be of any relevance, just what they can do for you then,at that time. having said that, social workers & trade unionists are so inept that i dont expect any of them to survive anyway, i mean what skills will they have? apart from telling other people how to run their lives!

[Reality Jones]

(4 March 2012, 16:09)bigpaul Wrote: i mean what skills will they have? apart from telling other people how to run their lives!

What skills will anyone have? Librarians, retail workers, bin men, cleaners, till workers in Tesco, shelf stackers, cabin crew, postman ? The list of people who work hard every day and have no real skill is endless.

[NorthernRaider]

Aaah Social workers bless there little cotton socks, Graduates with Phds who could not get real jobs in roles most suited to their skills........ in Mc Donalds, I think it was a former Dean of Oxford or Cambridge who describes graduates as being like "Lighthouses in a desert, brilliant but utterly pointless" .

I remember the profession of socialworkers way back in the early seventies saying " Lessons have been learned, procedures changed, safeguards put in place and training adapted to ensure we never have another case like the Maria Caldwell case" .

[bigpaul]

(4 March 2012, 16:51)Reality Jones Wrote:

(4 March 2012, 16:09)bigpaul Wrote: i mean what skills will they have? apart from telling other people how to run their lives!

What skills will anyone have? Librarians, retail workers, bin men, cleaners, till workers in Tesco, shelf stackers, cabin crew, postman ? The list of people who work hard every day and have no real skill is endless.

yes, exactly, and do you think that kind of employee will have ANY skills useful after TSHTF? NO! well, they'd better get themselves some skills fast if they want to survive.

[NorthernRaider]

(4 March 2012, 16:51)Reality Jones Wrote:

(4 March 2012, 16:09)bigpaul Wrote: i mean what skills will they have? apart from telling other people how to run their lives!

What skills will anyone have? Librarians, retail workers, bin men, cleaners, till workers in Tesco, shelf stackers, cabin crew, postman ? The list of people who work hard every day and have no real skill is endless.

Bowyers, farmers, blacksmiths, carpenters, roofers, plumbers, coal miners, fishermen, soldiers, greenhouse carers, carp, salmon and trout farmers, historians who can teach, mathmaticians, saddle makers, wheelrights, boiler makers, seamstreses, weavers, bot builders, alchemists and apothicaries, loom makers, shoesmakers, wrought iron workers, foresters and charcoal makers, brick makers, tile makers, rope makers, honey farmers, ale brewers, engineers, etc etc those are the roles that create a nations wealth and are useful.

Social workers, bin men, gay and lesbian advice workers, housing officers, benefits officers, trade unionists,equality workers, diversity workers, mps, councillors, hse officers, most teachers cept some specialists, politicians, priests, etc etc will only be useful as plough attachments.

[bigpaul]

there are a few disappearing, if not already disappeared, trades in your list NR, blacksmiths-not many of them these days, apart from a place owned by the National Trust near here, i dont think i've seen any down south for a few years. coal miners? not darn south they arent, wheelrights,boiler makers, seamstresses-nope nary a one, weavers-maybe a few in Somerset. Alchemists and Apothicaries-nope,loom makers-history, wrought iron workers-same as blacksmiths ditto,ditto,ditto. i dont know what it is like oop North but we dont have any off these things down south, pity poor state of affairs i'm sure we all agree, just shows how far this country has fallen from its great hayday, most of these trades are now consigned to history!

[NorthernRaider]

(4 March 2012, 18:02)bigpaul Wrote: there are a few disappearing, if not already disappeared, trades in your list NR, blacksmiths-not many of them these days, apart from a place owned by the National Trust near here, i dont think i've seen any down south for a few years. coal miners? not darn south they arent, wheelrights,boiler makers, seamstresses-nope nary a one, weavers-maybe a few in Somerset. Alchemists and Apothicaries-nope,loom makers-history, wrought iron workers-same as blacksmiths ditto,ditto,ditto. i dont know what it is like oop North but we dont have any off these things down south, pity poor state of affairs i'm sure we all agree, just shows how far this country has fallen from its great hayday, most of these trades are now consigned to history!

Well Sir I put it to you that without those core skills and trades many communities are going to be seriously f****, but I suppose they can have a union meeting and a group hug and tell each other they are all going to starve or die with equal rights.

[bigpaul]

(4 March 2012, 19:49)NorthernRaider Wrote:

(4 March 2012, 18:02)bigpaul Wrote: there are a few disappearing, if not already disappeared, trades in your list NR, blacksmiths-not many of them these days, apart from a place owned by the National Trust near here, i dont think i've seen any down south for a few years. coal miners? not darn south they arent, wheelrights,boiler makers, seamstresses-nope nary a one, weavers-maybe a few in Somerset. Alchemists and Apothicaries-nope,loom makers-history, wrought iron workers-same as blacksmiths ditto,ditto,ditto. i dont know what it is like oop North but we dont have any off these things down south, pity poor state of affairs i'm sure we all agree, just shows how far this country has fallen from its great hayday, most of these trades are now consigned to history!

Well Sir I put it to you that without those core skills and trades many communities are going to be seriously f****, but I suppose they can have a union meeting and a group hug and tell each other they are all going to starve or die with equal rights.

wasn't disagreeing with you, in fact i agree that without these trades "society" will be seriously flawed, but try telling that to the young kids down the Jobcentre who only want to do "Media studies" or computer programming!

[NorthernRaider]

Sail Makers, Clinker boat builders, fishing net makers, fishing hook makers, knife makers, cotton weavers, game keepers, navigators, map makers, flint nappers, glass blowers, bronze casters, plough makers etc BUT no yoof or diversity workers, no pr consultants, no IT technicians, no game designers, no home helps, no community cohesion activists, no asylum seeker resettlement officers, no childrens rights advocates, no needle exchange staff, no benefits claims advisors, no home helps, no council grass cutters, no recycling idiots, no parking wardens, no multi linguist translators for refugees, no teaching assistants, no nitty nurses, no dog wardens, no community revitalisation advisors. etc etc

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(4 March 2012, 19:56)bigpaul Wrote:

(4 March 2012, 19:49)NorthernRaider Wrote:

(4 March 2012, 18:02)bigpaul Wrote: there are a few disappearing, if not already disappeared, trades in your list NR, blacksmiths-not many of them these days, apart from a place owned by the National Trust near here, i dont think i've seen any down south for a few years. coal miners? not darn south they arent, wheelrights,boiler makers, seamstresses-nope nary a one, weavers-maybe a few in Somerset. Alchemists and Apothicaries-nope,loom makers-history, wrought iron workers-same as blacksmiths ditto,ditto,ditto. i dont know what it is like oop North but we dont have any off these things down south, pity poor state of affairs i'm sure we all agree, just shows how far this country has fallen from its great hayday, most of these trades are now consigned to history!

Well Sir I put it to you that without those core skills and trades many communities are going to be seriously f****, but I suppose they can have a union meeting and a group hug and tell each other they are all going to starve or die with equal rights.

wasn't disagreeing with you, in fact i agree that without these trades "society" will be seriously flawed, but try telling that to the young kids down the Jobcentre who only want to do "Media studies" or computer programming!

Aye my hairy friend unfortunately my wonderful son has been listening to the creatures that pass for career advisors at his school and told him Games Designing is the best option for him. Sighs with broken and heavy heart.